Anyone else considering not having this booster?

[DarkNecessities]

So 4th? one.

Just wondering really as I’m not sure how I feel about it. It seems like a lot to be pumping into my body in a short space of time.
I had Covid booster plus flu jab last year. DH didn’t have flu jab or a booster last time.
DS has never had any

Plus when they stopped Astra, they had the same Phizer vax version as it was from the begging

You’re not “pumping your body full“ of anything. The Pfizer vaccine dose as an example is 30 micrograms of mRNA. That’s a tiny amount, but enough to provoke an immune response to protect you. I had the flu jab and Covid booster a week apart. Felt rubbish for a day or so after the Covid one as I always do, but to me it’s worth it. It isn’t the same as actually being ill - you don’t have an infection, with viruses invading your cells and rampaging round your body doing damage. It’s just an inflammatory reaction that does you no harm.

As others have pointed out a bad case of Covid and flu can be very serious. Also as others have pointed out, we’re bombarded with antigens all the time naturally, and our immune systems deal with them without us noticing. You don’t get “overloaded” by vaccines. A doctor on Twitter debunked this in a video, wish I could find it.

I work with a lot of doctors and Covid researchers. All of them get every jab going!

Your choice of course, but decisions should be made on facts, and I think it’s a shame when people make choices based on falsehoods like “vaccines overload the immune system” or “we’re pumping our bodies full of chemicals”. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t even contain any preservatives, as some people claimed when they were launched. There’s so much misinformation.

The Pfizer vaccine dose as an example is 30 micrograms of mRNA. That’s a tiny amount, but enough to provoke an immune response to protect you.

It's provoking your cells to manufacture spike protein. The same spike protein that as part of the virus causes problems.
mentioned here.
www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2021/august/covid-19-spike-protein-binds-to-and-changes-cells-in-the-heart

How much spike protein is made? And for how long? And where does it go?
It doesn't stay local as we were first told.

yup.

I think it's very valid to be concerned about covid vaccines. For no other reason than they simply have not had the same level of long term studies -which is a valuable part of any vaccines life cycle. There simply wasn't time to do so, which is understandable. Also what other vaccine needs so many boosters and seems so ineffective in protecting the host from actually catching it? Flu vaccines are once a year, and is not a booster, it's a new modification every year. Current covid vaccines seem very poor in comparison. I am in no way a COVID denyer , I have it! I'm also no anti Vax, they save so many lives every second. I am however suspicious of the covid vaccines for what I believe are sensible reasons, they just haven't been able to have the same scrutiny of other vaccines, because there just hasn't been time to do so. Denying that just makes it more suspicious

For no other reason than they simply have not had the same level of long term studies -which is a valuable part of any vaccines life cycle.

There is SO MUCH DATA. 56 billion doses worldwide.

So many people don't understand the scientific schedules or processes sadly.

Yes, 56 billion doses and none of them have the benefit of a long term study behind them. That can't be denied. There's no need to be passive aggressive about it, I simply stated a known fact - what people do is up to themselves, but that kind of attitude is not going to change anyone's mind, there's no need for it

Yes, 56 billion doses and none of them have the benefit of a long term study behind them. That can't be denied.

I don't care about changing anyones mind. It's a free country.

But with respect your 'reasoning is so unscientific.

We've had a two year study of the vaccinations over an unprecedented number of subjects. How much more data do you want? Yes, it's not a iifetime study, but that's not how the development of vaccines works; a study of bilions of subjects ranging in age from 0-100 or more realistically gives you the same data.

snow what do you mean? Those subjects haven’t all been studied though have they? We haven’t been looking at everyone jabbed and neither have the yellow carded events all been followed up.

snow what do you mean? Those subjects haven’t all been studied though have they? We haven’t been looking at everyone jabbed and neither have the yellow carded events all been followed up.

Do you know all the studies that have gone on?

and neither have the yellow carded events all been followed up.

Not sure what you mean by this - the MHRA yellow card scheme is a post marketing surveillance system. It isn't designed to follow individual people up @BeethovenNinth

All health conditions occur at a general (background) rate in the population - e.g., miscarriage, lupus, myocarditis

Surveillance allows detection of safety signals - events that are occuring at a higher rate than in the general population.

Billions of vaccine doses have been given, there must be hundreds of individual studies (so not one big entity evaluating safety/efficacy) published now looking at prevalence, mechanism etc of side effects.

Don't get vaccinated if you're not convinced by this, but these are some of the most well studied vaccines available. I'm comfortable having a booster, as I am for my family members & loved ones.

Not the PP but I think posters get a tad frustrated when this has been discussed over and over again.

People ignore the thousands of scientists & clinicians in favour for cherry picked self appointed experts.

It is biologically impossible for a vaccine to cause a side effect that only emerges in the long term.

@sunglassesonthetable

So many people don't understand the scientific schedules or processes sadly.

Perhaps you can explain what went wrong here since we don't understand "scientific schedules."

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/19/swine-flu-vaccine-narcolepsy-uk

Perhaps you can explain what went wrong here since we don't understand "scientific schedules."

You crack on. Lol. I've no idea what you do and don't understand.

@sunglassesonthetable
how did the "scientific schedule," to use your phrase, fail to detect narcolepsy as a side effect for such a long time?

I've no idea. I'm sure you have all the answers.

Definitely not going to get this one. I’be had Covid twice anyways and loads of people Iknow have Covid at the moment and it’s just a cold. So..nah.

I am so relieved, constantly, that I resisted getting my DD14, vaccinated, despite enormous pressure in Spain to do so.

All her friends periods have stopped.

Had flu and covid most recent booster within 3 weeks of each other. Covid booster made me feel bad for about a day, just all the other ones have done, and now I'm fine.

I never had covid but I've been so ill from the vaccines and the first booster that I've decided not to take booster 2. I never get the flu shot either and in the last 10 years the only illness I've had has been from the shots.

@bronzepig
any comments? this article on vaccine induced narcolepsy highlights the importance of LONG-TERM safety data and analyses. i believe that is what people on this thread have been attempting to point out.

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/19/swine-flu-vaccine-narcolepsy-uk

Yes, especially in children and those under 50/no underlying conditions.

Agree with you 100%

How was essure allowed to be used for such a long time? How has the mesh scandal been allowed to happen? Why did a midwife have to spend 12 years campaigning for a baby to have more of its own cord blood?

No, I've had mine - it's my 4th jab.

You are so lucky to be living in a time when vaccines and proper medicines are available so we don't have to fear the real complications of illnesses quite so much. Get a grip and find something real to worry about.