Anyone else considering not having this booster?

[DarkNecessities]

So 4th? one.

Just wondering really as I’m not sure how I feel about it. It seems like a lot to be pumping into my body in a short space of time.
I had Covid booster plus flu jab last year. DH didn’t have flu jab or a booster last time.
DS has never had any

@Buzzinwithbez

It has to be a joke, right up to the part where it states ‘avoid catching covid’

I don't see how coming into contact with something means you should have other things injected, that seems specious.

What's going in depends on the jab, the mRNA ones contain instructions for your cells to produce a spike protein temporarily to induce an immune response.

Then there's one that's more conventional as in using a weakened form of a virus similar to sars-cov-2 (adenovirus) to induce an immune response, not sure if they have an adjuvent.

But since my risk of complication from covid was already low I haven't had any. Same goes for any vaccination where my risk of complication from the disease itself is very low. I had no vaccines in pregnancy for instance and have never had a flu one.

This is all based on my individual risk. I do the same with my child. You can't use blanket policy for every individual.

@DarkNecessities

But the point was you are absorbing infinitely more toxins - whether by mouth, skin, injection, breathing - in your day-to-day life than you would via a few vaccines. These are are formulated in minuscule amounts and designed to do their job straight away, and then dissipate. They don't remain in the system. Any immunity does dependent on the vaccine, the individual, and the environment, but the vaccine itself does not.

Public health generally does consider the public as a whole and that is one of the reasons vaccinations was rolled out to almost everyone. Of course you can choose to opt out as an individual within the sphere of that public health; as long as you recognise you alone are responsible for that decision.

We come into contact with a lot of things, but our bodies do have their own detoxification system, which are probably best supported and not overloaded.

Exercise, fresh air, by trying to decrease stress or at least developing mechanisms for dealing with it and by being choosy about what goes on, in, or around our body - food, drink, supplements, household cleaning solutions, skin/body care and so on...

But the point was you are absorbing infinitely more toxins - whether by mouth, skin, injection, breathing - in your day-to-day life than you would via a few vaccines. These are are formulated in minuscule amounts and designed to do their job straight away, and then dissipate. They don't remain in the system. Any immunity does dependent on the vaccine, the individual, and the environment, but the vaccine itself does not.

• Do we know how long our body continues to make spike protein after it has been instructed to?

Yes - mRNA is degraded within 24-48 hrs.

Your cells cannot make spike protein wiithout this template.

Indeed, the fact that mRNA is degraded so quickly in vivo has been a nightmare when trying to develop therapeutics where ideally you'd want it persisting for longer. Good for something like a vaccine though.

So is that why you need the boosters?

And when you stop having boosters is that because the immune system has learned enough through having up to five templates?

No, so no matter how many boosters you have, your body would never be able to learn how to produce spike protein on it's own.

Your immune system will respond to the spike protein by producing immune cells that know how to recognise it. Your immunity wears off when these cells are degraded too - but they typically last longer (so months/years, not days). Booster vaccines and repeated exposure to SARS-COV-2 will act like a reminder to your immune system, slowing down how quickly your body stops producing them.

Booster vaccines and repeated exposure to SARS-COV-2 will act like a reminder to your immune system, slowing down how quickly your body stops producing them.

So if you've had repeated exposure to SARS-COV-2, you're less likely to benefit from boosters?

Thank you. So what are the implications of this then? Having jabs forever? Or assuming that COVID kind of goes away because more people have resistance as time goes on?

It's very interesting, thank you for your help in understanding.

Offering seasonal boosters, updated for the predicted dominant variants/strains, to certain demographics, just like we do for other comparable pathogens.

COVID is very much endemic now, so won't go away, but it's impact on society will hopefully lessen.

And no problem! :)

Excellent, thank you @strupel

I'm pro vaccine but not sure.. after the third jab I got covid a week later.. after not having it at any other time. So it has put me off.

Sorry, I might be totally wrong here but, in the early days, wasn't it said that the vaccine takes around 2 weeks to become fully effective? Possible you could have even been infected before the vaccination or before it reached full efficacy.

Yup - and a vaccine does not increase your risk of getting the pathogen (no matter how excessively anti-vaccine disinformation groups have tried to push thi idea).

ONS data did show an increased likliehood of testing positive in the time period after vaccination - has been posted about before quite a bit but lots of confounding reasons for this ( someone more likely to be vaccinated when rates are high, or when they have lots of close contacts testing positive, for example).

Also worth saying that any vaccine takes around 2 weeks to become effective.

Don't leave it til the last minute if you're planning on getting travel innoculations!

Okay good to know, thankyou!

I'm not planning on having it - but I'm one of the statistical "someone's got to get unlucky" people who've had long term issues following the initial 2 jabs. At the moment I'm relatively on top of the symptoms in terms of I have skin on my hands that's not peeling off for the first time in months (but still awful joint pain), so I'm not wanting to jinx that improvement as it had gotten really bad.

Very much of the mindset that people make the choice that's right for them, for me with a proven reaction to the jabs that's been more than feeling shitty for a few days, I don't think the risks outweigh the risks of Covid in my case.

Sorry you were one of the unlucky ones, CoffeeWithCheese. That's an understandable choice given your experience.

I had flu & covid boosters together some weeks ago with no ill effects 😊

I had the 1st vaccine. Astra Zeneca. I didn’t want it, and I was a key worker, school cleaner, throughout all the lockdowns. As far as I’m concerned it’s an experimental vaccine and I’m not prepared to put it in my body. I still socially distance and wear masks on public transport etc.
nearly everyone I know who had the vaccines and boosters has had side effects, some long lasting, and some have had severe covid despite being fully boosted
tbh I’m generally distrustful of the medical profession, I’ve not seen a doctor for over 3 years and I’m 58 now. I also decline all screening.
My body my choices. I don’t smoke drink or take drugs and have cost the NHS precisely nothing since February 2019!

How can it still be experimental two years after introduction when it's had literally the largest field trial ever, encompassing not just the UK but so many other countries throughout the world? If everyone who gets the vaccine has such drastic effects, don't you think we'd have heard about it by now?

Just for the record, the only effect I've had from four vaccinations (plus various flu and pneumonia vaccinations, the last flu one being simultaneous with covid) I've had no reaction apart from a slightly sore arm, and I know plenty of people who say exactly the same.

It’s even worse than not been properly trialled - It’s been taken off the market in the UK, they not using it for a long long time, why would that be?

I thought we weren't having the AstraZeneca jab anymore because the newer vaccines were more effective?

dailysceptic.org/2022/11/26/as-an-oncologist-i-am-seeing-people-with-stable-cancer-rapidly-progress-after-being-forced-to-have-a-booster/

I read this yesterday.

Really? All that investment etc, oh and what about creators Damehood?