For those that are NOT vaxxed - would you get vaxxed only for travel?

[WoodlandWalks123]

I chose not to get vaccinated (I am in low risk category and already had covid). I don’t want to get into the pros and cons of that choice.

Now, DP booked me and DM on a luxury cruise as a surprise present - which would be so lovely and DM is really looking forward to it - it’s a bit of a once in a lifetime sort of thing to be able to go on this / spend time with her and I’ve got it in my mind that life is short and unsure when we would go again.

When he booked, the rules were that from April all vaccination rules would end. Now they have changed their terms and require double vaxx. They will refund money if we cancel due to this change so there is a get out. My DM is vaxxed but obviously I am not.

I am genuinely nervous about getting vaccinated when it’s just so new (in relative vaccine terms) and we don’t know long term effects, and the mRNA technology is also unknown. I am not a die hard anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist.

I feel that I would only be doing it for this cruise - general air travel / country requirements seem to be opening up and not requiring vaccines increasingly so I don’t think I would need it to go abroad in the fullness of time.

If you have chosen not to be vaccinated, would you get vaccinated to go on a once in a lifetime (but only 4 day) cruise? Or would you get a refund? If you would get vaccinated, which of the vaccines do you think is most benign?

We know that even with boosters, transmission and infection still occur

But at a much reduced level and people are less ill and less likely to die if they are vaccinated.

You have to look at this on a population level, because while the risk to individuals is low, when you scale it up to tens of millions of people, you are still talking about tens/hundreds of thousands of people being ill, sick, dying or suffering from long covid.

Say the risk of death to the unvaccinated is 1% but 0.1% to the vaccinated, that's 90% fewer people who will die, more so as fewer people will actually get covid.

For a population of 50 million vaccinated people, if 5 million get covid and 0.1% of those die, that's 5000 deaths.

If those 50 million people all made the same decision as the OP to not be vaccinated, you might see 20 million people get covid, which would be 200 000 deaths. Not all those people will be the old or the sick, many will have previously been young and healthy.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

Only you can decide if a vaccine you don't want to have is worth it for travel. In your shoes I probably wouldn't - if you're dead against having it, why would a 4 day cruise change your mind? There are loads of other destinations you could choose to go to that don't have this requirement.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

Only you can decide if a vaccine you don't want to have is worth it for travel. In your shoes I probably wouldn't - if you're dead against having it, why would a 4 day cruise change your mind? There are loads of other destinations you could choose to go to that don't have this requirement.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

Only you can decide if a vaccine you don't want to have is worth it for travel. In your shoes I probably wouldn't - if you're dead against having it, why would a 4 day cruise change your mind? There are loads of other destinations you could choose to go to that don't have this requirement.

My selfish cousin and her husband are, they’ve not been vaccinated yet but are going to the Maldives early next year so will have to then.

The holiday clearly means more to them than protecting her vulnerable parents who provide free childcare every week, and seeing her very elderly grandmother.

My selfish cousin and her husband are, they’ve not been vaccinated yet but are going to the Maldives early next year so will have to then.

The holiday clearly means more to them than protecting her vulnerable parents who provide free childcare every week, and seeing her very elderly grandmother.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

Only you can decide if a vaccine you don't want to have is worth it for travel. In your shoes I probably wouldn't - if you're dead against having it, why would a 4 day cruise change your mind? There are loads of other destinations you could choose to go to that don't have this requirement.

I’m very pleased to see all of the cruise ads, advertising that everyone on board is fully vaccinated.

You made your choice, this is a consequence of it.

People have been having vaccinations to travel for decades.

I’m very pleased to see all of the cruise ads, advertising that everyone on board is fully vaccinated.

You made your choice, this is a consequence of it.

People have been having vaccinations to travel for decades.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

Of course there is an 'excuse'. The poster doesn't want it and is perfectly entitled not to have it.
And your boils point is not applicable and totally irrelevant.

But again this shows a lack of understanding of how vaccines work.

Vaccines are not associated with long term emerging side effects - they are not drugs. Side effects will emerge in the short term as your immune system responds to a foreign antigen.

Many many scientists have provided commentary on this.

Only you can decide if a vaccine you don't want to have is worth it for travel. In your shoes I probably wouldn't - if you're dead against having it, why would a 4 day cruise change your mind? There are loads of other destinations you could choose to go to that don't have this requirement.

Good lord not sure what's going on with MN there

Basically, don't get vaccinated if you don't want to. There are lots of other places you could go on holiday where it's not a requirement.

It's just frustrating how this threads always start the same, but then end up with a load of dripfeeding on claims about the coronavirus vaccines that aren't true.

Love it how anti vaxxers are back tracking now they realise not having the jab will affect them 🤣

Millions of deaths and economic disaster isn't a good enough reason to get the vaccine. But when they can't go on holiday that's a good enough reason. Ok.

And I speak as someone who's just had a bunch of vaccines, including a couple of live ones that gave me terrible GI symptoms, as they were a requirement for travel on a work trip.

Taking a medical treatment under duress is not something I could ever submit to. So, no.

It doesn't though. Are you five?

I don't want my child to grow up in a world where the government can dictate what goes into her body. So I won't contribute to that.