For those that are NOT vaxxed - would you get vaxxed only for travel?

[WoodlandWalks123]

I chose not to get vaccinated (I am in low risk category and already had covid). I don’t want to get into the pros and cons of that choice.

Now, DP booked me and DM on a luxury cruise as a surprise present - which would be so lovely and DM is really looking forward to it - it’s a bit of a once in a lifetime sort of thing to be able to go on this / spend time with her and I’ve got it in my mind that life is short and unsure when we would go again.

When he booked, the rules were that from April all vaccination rules would end. Now they have changed their terms and require double vaxx. They will refund money if we cancel due to this change so there is a get out. My DM is vaxxed but obviously I am not.

I am genuinely nervous about getting vaccinated when it’s just so new (in relative vaccine terms) and we don’t know long term effects, and the mRNA technology is also unknown. I am not a die hard anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist.

I feel that I would only be doing it for this cruise - general air travel / country requirements seem to be opening up and not requiring vaccines increasingly so I don’t think I would need it to go abroad in the fullness of time.

If you have chosen not to be vaccinated, would you get vaccinated to go on a once in a lifetime (but only 4 day) cruise? Or would you get a refund? If you would get vaccinated, which of the vaccines do you think is most benign?

Yes, I think our current government are a disgrace and I literally don't believe a word they say. But DD2 (who currently lives with me) was doing an MSc in Control of Infectious Diseases last year and there was not a single person she came across – fellow students from all over the world, lecturers, lab assistants, researchers – who didn't believe in the vaccinations. Not one. So regardless of my feelings about the government, and politicians in general, that was a solid enough recommendation as far as my family are concerned.

@Samarie123 your response is somewhat idiotic.

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses in humans. However, three coronaviruses have caused more serious and fatal disease in people: SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV), which emerged in November 2002 and causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS); MERS coronavirus (MERS-CoV), which emerged in 2012 and causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS); and SARS-CoV-2, which emerged in 2019 and causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

You are talking about the difference between being in a room with a domestic cat vs a Bengal tiger… same family, very different characteristics.

Covid is not a cold. It is a vascular disease with primary respiratory complaint.

Done with this thread, attracting trolls.

Oh you’re reading today’s history. Oh they must have it right now 😎

It was called coronavirus before covid. Look up coronavirus. It’s been around for decades in an 1920s encyclopaedia it said coronavirus was just a common cold.
THEY changed it to covid!!! Hmmm why is that do you think?

Coronavirus is the name for a group of viruses. They've existed for thousands of years, in some form.
The common cold is a type of coronavirus.
SARS is a type of coronavirus.
MERS is a type of coronavirus.
Covid 19 is also a type of coronavirus, also linked to the SARS coronavirus.
Flu is a different type of virus, the influenza virus.

Just because the viruses belong to the same group it doesn't mean they are the same virus overall.

They may share some symptoms, but they are not the same virus. In general, Covid 19 can lead to more cases of more serious illness, especially in already vulnerable groups.

Having had colds, flu and covid 19, each more than once, only one of the viruses has ever lead me to be hospitalised (I am classed as vulnerable) or led me to require lifelong medication for a health condition occurring through the first type of catching it.

It was called coronavirus before covid. Look up coronavirus. It’s been around for decades in an 1920s encyclopaedia it said coronavirus was just a common cold.
THEY changed it to covid!!! Hmmm why is that do you think?
I think I’ve answered your question

Who is THEY?

New World Order? Illuminati? QAnon?

Or maybe it was just the WHO who simply named it COronaVIrusDisease2019?

Yes they called it a disease!
since when has a common cold been called a disease ffs!!!

Yes, the common cold is an infectious disease.

It's just colloquialism that makes us associate the word disease with more serious illnesses, there is nothing in the definition of the word that actually means something more serious. In medical definitions it's a perfectly fine word to use to describe a Coronavirus.

@Samarie123

Definition of disease -

"a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury."

The common cold is a disease though, it just causes mild illness.

Or did you not realise that?

@Samarie123 Yes they called it a disease
since when has a common cold been called a disease ffs

Good lord

@Samarie123

"
It was called coronavirus before covid. Look up coronavirus. It’s been around for decades in an 1920s encyclopaedia it said coronavirus was just a common cold.
THEY changed it to covid!!! Hmmm why is that do you think?
I think I’ve answered your question 😎"
*
And there you go, proof that you are a paid up tin-foil hat wearer.*

Perhaps Mumsnet are "they" as they changed the title of this section from coronavirus to Covid a couple of months ago. They know, you know <taps nose> 😂

@Samarie123 I'm embarrassed for you but also quite entertained. What other pearls of wisdom do you have for us?

@Robinni
"I would really love to see the papers that suggest 18 years of protection from natural infection… seeing as covid has only been around 3 years… this must be a projection?
Where did you get this info please?"

I can't see this addressed anywhere else in the thread but I assume @Samarie123 was referring to the research that showed people who had SARS-Cov1 back in 2002 still had T cell antibodies 18 years later.

Hopefully having SARS-Cov2 will provide similar T cell protection post infection, though obviously T cells won't stop you from catching it again and again.

@LeftFootForward is this the study led by Linfa Wang? (discussed here)
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02260-9

Can’t find the original paper, if anyone

From what’s that’s saying they were able to detect neutralising antibodies to SARS from the 02/04 outbreak, BUT that a potent immune response was derived only following admin of covid vaccine and gave cross-reactive protection to several viruses.

@LeftFootForward That’s exciting as you could, based on this work towards the development of a pan-coronavirus vaccine, giving protection against known pathogens and those yet to emerge.

I can’t find the original paper, but it was a small study, so hard to know whether this could be transposed more broadly to a large population, nor if protection against SARS-CoV2 would be akin to SARS-CoV1; I suspect not as it is so much more transmissible, less pathogenic/lower fatality and recurrent infection so prominent. Still Wang is running a larger study based on the first for SARS-CoV1 survivors so the results would be interesting to see.

Pretty cool guy actually.

www.science.org/content/article/biologist-helped-trace-sars-bats-now-hes-working-uncover-origins-covid-19

@Robinni I'm sorry I can't remember where I read it, but Nature does ring a bell :)

Found it
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108453

Rest of his work here
www.duke-nus.edu.sg/directory/detail/wang-linfa

Just to clarify there are seven known types of Coronavirus: MERS, SARS, Covid 19 and four are common colds,

Although in it's early stages there is some research that shows that if you have recovered from other coronavirus (preferably the common cold variety as SARS and MERS have such a high death rate!) then this will provide some resistance to Covid 19.

That said all resistance whether it is acquired from infection or a jab will wane over time.

@1dayatatime
just to clarify there are 7 coronaviruses known to infect humans and induce illness
coronavirusexplained.ukri.org/en/article/cad0003/

But there are in fact very many more of them i.e. feline, canine, bird, porcine etc. described here: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.582287/full
and more beyond this yet to be described… note that the ones we know well are from farm and companion animals, what is lurking in wild animals isn’t well documented as they may carry disease asymptomatically and widespread serological screening isn’t routinely carried out.

GP here. Large numbers of people getting their first vaccine for travel at the moment. It seems that the apparently strongly held anti-vaxx principles fade if they mean that you can't get a bit of sun................

Maybe they feel reassured enough with the passage of time that life changing reactions are likely to be rare?

Personally it's a no from me as one of the first people I knew to get it (Pfizer) suffered a life changing injury.

That may be rare on a population level but doesn't seem rare when someone you know has been affected and no carrot feels worth that risk.

Hey @Buzzinwithbez Buzz, could you share what the life changing injury was please? Just so people are able to view data on it if they wish. Rather than feel frightened without proper information.

No I will not. It's undisputable that life changing injuries have occurred - I was very clear to differentiate between perceived risk on a population level vs when it's within your circle of friends.
I'm sure that you will have made your own decision based on data already.

@Buzzinwithbez my best mate died from a blood clot a few months after having covid - with virtually no symptoms - It was shit. They were CV though.

And no doubt it was tough for your friend and what they suffered too.

I try to keep up with the info as I want to be informed in the event another booster is offered etc.

I think we have to be careful what we post so as not to cause undue alarm in others. I’m sorry your friend had an adverse reaction.