For those that are NOT vaxxed - would you get vaxxed only for travel?

[WoodlandWalks123]

I chose not to get vaccinated (I am in low risk category and already had covid). I don’t want to get into the pros and cons of that choice.

Now, DP booked me and DM on a luxury cruise as a surprise present - which would be so lovely and DM is really looking forward to it - it’s a bit of a once in a lifetime sort of thing to be able to go on this / spend time with her and I’ve got it in my mind that life is short and unsure when we would go again.

When he booked, the rules were that from April all vaccination rules would end. Now they have changed their terms and require double vaxx. They will refund money if we cancel due to this change so there is a get out. My DM is vaxxed but obviously I am not.

I am genuinely nervous about getting vaccinated when it’s just so new (in relative vaccine terms) and we don’t know long term effects, and the mRNA technology is also unknown. I am not a die hard anti-vaxxer or conspiracy theorist.

I feel that I would only be doing it for this cruise - general air travel / country requirements seem to be opening up and not requiring vaccines increasingly so I don’t think I would need it to go abroad in the fullness of time.

If you have chosen not to be vaccinated, would you get vaccinated to go on a once in a lifetime (but only 4 day) cruise? Or would you get a refund? If you would get vaccinated, which of the vaccines do you think is most benign?

Very rude of you to suggest my child would be thick enough to get to adult age without being harmed by any routine childhood illnesses and still think they need prophylactic treatment against them.

for the trip you're describing? totally not.

The only time i'd consider getting jabbed is if it was for visiting my elderly loved ones in a country where vaccination was unavoidable and compulsory to enter, but luckily not many of those countries remain.

Ah yeah cause you just call the paper don't you and say 'hey my uncle died from the vaccine' and they paper goes 'omg let's report on that right away'

If there is a problem with vaccines a doctor just notifies their department and vaccines are halted there and then.

The world is complicated. Medical research is politicised. Medical consensus does not change upon evidence, there's push and pull, funding, interests etc. etc. etc.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the world is not this high trust utopia where you can just look at coloured labels and boom you're suddenly healthy.

Pull your finger out of your arse, and grow up. Do it for your children.

No, I would not get vaccinated to travel. I would rather not go.

@reeeeeeee

Very rude of you to suggest my child would be thick enough to get to adult age without being harmed by any routine childhood illnesses and still think they need prophylactic treatment against them.

Not the PP and don't think it's particularly helpful to be calling anyone thick but was interested in your post.

You realise that the reason your child wasn't impacted by polio/measles/mumps or whatever routine vaccine you turned down, is because the vast majority of other children have been vaccinated?

And that there are some infectious diseases that tend to be more severe in adulthood (i.e., mumps) so vaccination would make sense even if they haven't previously had mumps?

@reeeeeeee I understand the difference between a website and a research paper, having written research papers myself in the past. I know about medical research too, having worked in medical research a long time ago. I know you linked to a website, but I also took an interest in the specific paragraph you quoted:

”Pandemrix caused narcolepsy
The UK Health Protection Agency (now Public Health England) undertook a major study of 4- to 18-year-olds and found that around one in every 55,000 jabs led to narcolepsy.”

Now that’s quite a claim to make. I understand you didn’t make it, you were just parroting what you had read on the Narcolepsy website, but just because they have written it doesn’t mean it’s true. I went and had a little look at that major study, and found it said nothing of the sort. I didn’t know if you had actually read the study yourself so I thought I would post a link to it, so if you were actually interested enough in the facts you could go and verify whether the claim you reproduced was true.

Regarding your statement about the thickness of your children, could you explain so that all of us can understand exactly how it is that diseases that were once potentially lethal to children are no longer the threat that they were? How is it that your children don’t need vaccines? If you’ve got any other explanation beyond ‘my kids don’t need vaccines because everyone has had vaccines’ I’m sure we’d all love to hear it.

You personally know 5 people who have died as a direct result of being vaccinated? That is one of boldest pieces of utter bull that I have ever read on here.

@WoodlandWalks123 I agree with @backinthebox you are a feckless idiot

I had a headache for three/four weeks after my second moderna. One of the reasons I didn’t get boosted. Then I got Covid anyway.
Switzerland, Mexico and a number of other countries now allow tourists in without being Covid vaccinated.
it’s not a fair bargin. If you have problems after vaccination there is prescious little help out there.

I have seen this first hand from my friend and neighbor who was injured by her astra zeneka 1st vaccine. Water in the lungs and round organs. Now they think she will have permanent asthma. Was on steroids etc for months and months. She may never fully recover her health.
she did get Covid. Doctors said there was nothing they could do to help. It was like a mild cold for her. The vaccine she had has hurt her much more. No compensation. It’s a disgrace.

It’s not worth it OP. My Mil has pericarditis after her booster. She’s in her 50’s and it’s really affected her ability to get live an active life. No one is interested in looking into her unjury and most people act like she’s mad when she mentions it, despite it being confirmed by the hospital. She’s just told with time it will sort it’s self out but she has days where she’s struggles to get out of bed now. She only got vaccinated to travel, had got through covid and recovered fine. I’m not vaccinated, had mild covid in 2020 and haven’t caught it again since, despite regularly being in contact with positive cases. I’m happy never to travel again rather then risk my health. But then when there was threat of vaccine passports domestically I made peace with not being able to go out to eat or go to the cinema.

Even if you did want to get vaccinated then you have to wait 12 weeks between doses and then many places required a further wait of 2 weeks after last dose before travelling, so the very earliest you could go would be early August. If it's already booked for before then, you're scuppered anyway.

If you get Covid at any time after dose 1 but before dose 2 then you have to wait 12 weeks before being jabbed again, thus putting your travel date off even more

If it's a once in a lifetime thing and a chance to spend time with your mum then why be so selfish and deny her that opportunity to spend time with you?

What makes you think you're so fucking special that you can carry on benefitting from an open and safe society without you contributing to it yourself?

I am vaccinated against covid by choice but I have had other vaccinations to travel, including some that actually offer little benefit because my insurance wont cover me unless I have them. So yes, I would.

I'm afraid it's not possible to avoid discussing your original viewpoint when some of the responses on this thread are designed to misinform you and therefore influence your decision in that way. There is little risk from the vaccine itself and the risks there are far smaller than the risk of the disease. Having covid damages your body. It increases your risk of heart disease for at least 12 months www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0

You have a 30% chance of long covid www.uclahealth.org/news/about-30-covid-patients-develop-long-covid-ucla-research

It reduces male fertility and if you have a severe infection female fertility www.news-medical.net/news/20220119/How-does-SARS-CoV-2-infection-impact-female-fertility.aspx

Even mild infection affects your brain jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2790595

This is just part of the problems caused by covid infection.

No-one yet knows the long term effects of covid or whether repeated infection will mean the effects get worse over time, it's prudent to assume repeated infection will make things worse each time unless studies show otherwise. Therefore taking action to reduce the risk of severe infection and to reduce your prospect of repeated infection makes sense. If you want to stay unvaccinated you really ought to mask up whenever in risky situations and definitely avoid anyone known to be positive.

If you get Covid at any time after dose 1 but before dose 2 then you have to wait 12 weeks before being jabbed again, thus putting your travel date off even more
The gap is 28 days (12 weeks in children)

For those saying that the only reason we are moving on from the Pandemic is thanks to the vaccines, it's also largely due to the emergence of milder Omicron which as Bill Gates stated is like a vaccine itself and more effective than his own.

I wouldn't get vaxed, and I'd take the refund. We are still delaying our 'once in a lifetime' family holiday to Florida - firstly due to Covid restrictions, now due to the vaccination restrictions. We'll go eventually.

One of the reasons it is milder is because there are such high levels of immunity. Look at Hong Kong where the elderly are getting very sick due to low levels of vaccination.
Of course having Covid is like having another vaccination 🙄 it's just the immunity doesn't seem to be as long lasting.

Absolutely not. It's a medical decision. I would only have it if I felt it would contribute to lasting good health.

I chose to get vaccinated a while ago JUST for travelling.
My parents are living abroad and it was clear right form the start that no vaccine would mean not being able to see my parents .
It was also proven right….

Im still comfortable with that choice because it means I’ve been able to see them throughout this pandemic. They are both early 80s. I wouldn’t change that.

is there one vaccine that is better than another? Tbh I’m not sure on on LT pov.
What I can say is that I had AZ for the first doses and felt ok with it. I had Moderna for the third dose and ended up with a MASSIVE flare up for my my ME/CFS. It seems that about 20% of people with ME have seen such a flare up with mRNA vaccines (so moderna and Pfizer). The problem is that AZ isn’t a choice anymore in the U.K. (and other EU countries) so the choice is reduced to 1 really (as both moderna and Pfizer are the same thing really)

@Cookerhood sorry but I believe you are wrong.

the current variant is milder because its form, nit because of vaccinations. Vaccinations means that there is less people dying or ending up in hospital when they infected by the same variant.
Then different variants are more or less dangerous.
two different issues.

Hong Kong has some massive issues because very strangely, they have vaccinated many 30~40yo but hardly any 60+yo so yes they now are facing a huge number of deaths from the most vulnerable.
Thats not about immunity from previous infection.

Finally, immunity from infection with covid isn’t like having caught chicken pox and being immune. It’s more alike to catching the flu and …. not being immune to the next strain. Many people have already caught covid several times. Even when vaccinated. Immunity (from the vaccine and natural immunity) vannes pretty quickly with time too.

Well no they haven't. They've had enough of being dismissed by doctors and know-it-alls on the Internet.

I have a friend in Switzerland who has started a support group for women trying to get help for this issue rather than be brushed off as stupid ladies who don't know their own bodies. Posts like yours do harm BTW. I know we all want covid vaccines to be perfect but they're not. These women have a right to support and help but they won't get it because they are collateral damage in the vaccine programme and nobody gives a shit about them other than trying to make them out to be hysterical liars. It's shameful.

Why do these people think the only alternative to corporate press is facebook?

And you're saying these risks apply to every person regardless of their state of health, right?

Meanwhile people on here believe that if you simply "tell the papers" about this the programme would be stopped immediately.

Sorry about your mum. Thankfully my elderly parents have refused and are still fine.

Meanwhile people on here believe that if you simply "tell the papers" about this the programme would be stopped immediately.

There’s people on here who don’t understand sarcasm. 🙄