Husband positive not vaccinated!!

[looneylou201]

Hi my husband tested positive today , he's been in bed most the day banging head and high temp. He's not vaccinated an im so worried he is going to get really ill 😭😭 he's normally fit and well x

The medical evidence (not random unsubstantiated posts on Mn) show that the vaccine helps to lessen the severity of the symptoms. The Covid vaccinations have been nothing short of miraculous in preventing serious illness and deaths.

If you are young and without other health problems this contributes to you having milder symptoms and recovering more quickly.

I take it you've not seen the news from China, and how they have needed to increase restriction when omicron hits a largely unvaccinated population?

Needed?! The way the Chinese government are behaving towards their population, who are actually pretty highly vaccinated btw, is a choice.

Yes, a choice made because if the effects of covid on an insufficiently vaccinated population.

Other choices are of course available, but that does not negate the need. Which arises because current variant is not benign as it is in places where vaccination rates are good. That shows the population level benefit of vaccine acting to lessen severity.

So annoying! Another thread used by the unvaccinated to try to make vaccinated people question the validity of being vaccinated. Get out of your pretentious lives and notice what has and is actually going on in the world.

The whole point of vaccines is to reduce the relatively small risk of ending up in hospital or having long covid.

"current variant is not benign as it is in places where vaccination rates are good (sic)"

Back in early Dec 2021 the current variant was reported as being pretty benign in South Africa and the vaccination rate there is very low so I'm not convinced that's a very strong argument.

Sorry I asked lol 🤣🤣

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

Yes, a choice made because if the effects of covid on an insufficiently vaccinated population.

Other choices are of course available, but that does not negate the need. Which arises because current variant is not benign as it is in places where vaccination rates are good. That shows the population level benefit of vaccine acting to lessen severity.

Once again, locking people in their homes, removing covid positive babies and toddlers from parents and refusing to allow people to leave for urgent medical treatment is not a 'need'. It is a choice, and is indefensible. You were just plain wrong on all counts, and don't think the goalpost move from largely unvaccinated to insufficiently vaccinated isn't blatantly obvious either.

So why did the Chinese authorities act, if it were not because of the expected toll of current variant on an under-immunised population?

I think you will find I am correct in the percentages I quoted earlier in the thread.

Vaccination makes a difference to how ill people get, and on a large population basis that makes a significant difference to government public health choices. Are you really disagreeing with that?

One of the downsides of China's zero covid policy is that they have very little natural immunity in the population and their vaccines are less effective than the ones used in Europe and elsewhere. China is going to have to rethink how they do this. I read that they're waiting until after the next Party Congress because changing the approach will be seen as admitting a mistake was made.

We are all vaccinated. Made fuck all odds. All got it and dh still had aftereffects months later.
Most people will recover, vaccinated or not. If you are older or fat or ill, then you take a risk not getting vaxed, but we will all get it multiple times. Thankfully it's getting milder.

And yes, I know unvaxed people who have had it and got over it fast. I know of people who have died. All have been old or fat or had severe life limiting illness. They were mainly vaccinated too.

If he didn’t bother to get vaccinated he can’t be too worried about himself, so why bother worrying for him? It’s his choice to want to catch it

I will just leave this here. Not for you OP but for the "vaccinated fare worse brigade."

@Tynetime

I will just leave this here. Not for you OP but for the "vaccinated fare worse brigade."

That's very interesting @Tynetime but without (at least) an age breakdown that data isn't very helpful.

According to the ONS data (probably the same data as you've posted, but on OurWorldinData you can select by age group) an unvaccinated 50 year old is less likely to die from covid than a vaccinated 70 year old.

Covid is, as it always has been, vaccinated or not, more of a risk for older, fatter, sicker members of society.

This is ICNARC data. I think there are age breakdowns in the report but I like this visual. I know the gap is narrowing but odds still in vaccinated favour of avoiding critical care.

The gap is narrowing because the protection from the vaccine is waning.

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

So why did the Chinese authorities act, if it were not because of the expected toll of current variant on an under-immunised population?

I think you will find I am correct in the percentages I quoted earlier in the thread.

Vaccination makes a difference to how ill people get, and on a large population basis that makes a significant difference to government public health choices. Are you really disagreeing with that?

You said that the Chinese population were largely unvaccinated. They were not.The fact that Sinovac is less effective than other vaccines is a separate point, and you will not blur the lines between the two. Your last paragraph is clearly a bad faith argument, because it simply isn't possibly to construe this as a discussion about the merits of vaccination per se.

So once again, what this is actually about is your bullshit claim that there is a need for the human rights abuses we're seeing in China. There isn't. That's revolting.

@Tynetime

This is ICNARC data. I think there are age breakdowns in the report but I like this visual. I know the gap is narrowing but odds still in vaccinated favour of avoiding critical care.

I agree, generally, population wide the odds are in favour of avoiding critical care. But population wide data is unreliable as it assumes the risk is equal across all age groups which clearly it isn't with any illness, let alone covid.

I agree, generally, population wide the odds are in favour of avoiding critical care. But population wide data is unreliable as it assumes the risk is equal across all age groups which clearly it isn't with any illness, let alone covid.

Data also unreliable as the number of unvaccinated in the population is a guesstimate.

Yes age is definitely a factor. Unvaccinated tend to be younger but the biggest Unvaccinated risk group seems to be over 60s.

@Hope90x not sure if you’ve misunderstood my post or have deliberately chosen to do so (I suspect the first) so I shall clarify.

The OP has posted a panicked sounding post about her unvaccinated husband catching Covid and lots of crying faces as she’s concerned he’s going to get sick from it.

I said, seeing as he’s unvaccinated and so has no level of added protection against the ensuing disease from the virus, and it’s likely we will all get exposed to the virus at some point, it’s hardly a surprise that he’s got it. No one can say how sick he may or may not get as he has no protection from a vaccine.

That said, I’ve had both vaccines and I have never had Covid, despite being exposed on a number of occasions. To use a certain poster’s choice of phrase, make of that what you will…

Hello, not getting into the pro-vax/anti-vax debate. However, especially if your DH is unvaccinated have an oximeter in the house (this saved a friend of mine before the vaccines came in).

The risk of blood clots is heightened after having covid for 6 months so be vigilant and have him checked by a gp (bloods done) if fatigue persists once he’s feeling better. I would give that advice to anyone vacc or not, but particularly unvacc as the risks much higher long term.

My DH had covid before the vaccines existed! He was ill but not hospital ill don't worry

[quote Herejustforthisone]@Hope90x not sure if you’ve misunderstood my post or have deliberately chosen to do so (I suspect the first) so I shall clarify.

The OP has posted a panicked sounding post about her unvaccinated husband catching Covid and lots of crying faces as she’s concerned he’s going to get sick from it.

I said, seeing as he’s unvaccinated and so has no level of added protection against the ensuing disease from the virus, and it’s likely we will all get exposed to the virus at some point, it’s hardly a surprise that he’s got it. No one can say how sick he may or may not get as he has no protection from a vaccine.

That said, I’ve had both vaccines and I have never had Covid, despite being exposed on a number of occasions. To use a certain poster’s choice of phrase, make of that what you will…[/quote]
I completely agree. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

@ivfbabymomma1

My DH had covid before the vaccines existed! He was ill but not hospital ill don't worry

How’s that relevant? Your DH is not hers.