Independent sage condemn lifting of restrictions

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I see that independent sage have condemned the government’s plan to lift restrictions this week, saying that it’s not driven by the science.

Are the vulnerable being thrown to the wolves as they are claiming?

However on the other hand independent sage have been against every reduction in restrictions that’s taken place. They’ve also called for lockdowns in December 2021, September 2021 among others.

Are they correct in this situation?

twitter.com/independentsage/status/1494629238598733831?s=21

Well a stopped clock is right twice a day...
Honestly, they've cried wolf so many times is anyone actually listening now?

Does SAGE include any economists?

What are 'independent safe' proposing we do?

Yes they want us to remain in lockdown so obviously not in favour of a reduction they are right in that there preferred solution will result in less covid - but they have yet to set our details like, where does the country income (to pay for the nhs!) come from with no service sector? how do we get future doctors or scientists with no education system etc. But this problem is always easier if you can advise on the best measures for zero covid and to hell with the consequences. Once you take into account the wider picture and it becomes more difficult to balance.

Personally I think that unless we can afford to keep testing at the current levels (yes I know this is mumsnet where no one is testing but in the real world we are still looking at 900,000 registered tests a day!). It’s difficult to see what advantages there are to keeping the current isolation rules? self isolation with limited testing becomes a nonsense because most cases will not have to self isolate as they will never be diagnosed. Even at this level of testing it’s thought we only catch fifty percent of cases..so for fifty percent don’t self isolate anyway and that would grow unless we continue with high levels of testing which seems unaffordable as a longer term strategy.

SAGE does not include BJ’s PR people that’s for sure. They’re far too busy trying to fill the papers with alternative headlines whilst partygate rumbles on.

Indy Sage are the epitome of doomsaying, mithering, attention-seeking whingers

Funny how they're interested in a risk benefit analysis all of a sudden.

I, and many others lost faith in SAGE a long time ago. I will never put any faith in anything they have to say ever again.

Are the vulnerable being thrown to the wolves as they are claiming?

Yes

There is no scientific consensus for abrupt and total lifting of restrictions when we are still in the winter virus season, and NHS leaders seem to be dead against it.

The timing and totality is being driven by the need to keep Boris in power and the sun setting on the emergency law.

A phased reduction wouid be far more sensible, but Boris is being held to ransom by the U4T types who wouid vote against

@Wizzbangfizz

I, and many others lost faith in SAGE a long time ago. I will never put any faith in anything they have to say ever again.

This is Independent (ie self appointed) SAGE. There is some crossover but they're a different body.

@Wizzbangfizz

I, and many others lost faith in SAGE a long time ago. I will never put any faith in anything they have to say ever again.

This isn't SAGE, it's Independent SAGE, a totally different body, often critical of policy and other advice

Independent sage are essentially bitter people who were annoyed to not be part of sage proper. They would basically say the government was not responding properly whatever they did.

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

Are the vulnerable being thrown to the wolves as they are claiming?

Yes

There is no scientific consensus for abrupt and total lifting of restrictions when we are still in the winter virus season, and NHS leaders seem to be dead against it.

The timing and totality is being driven by the need to keep Boris in power and the sun setting on the emergency law.

A phased reduction wouid be far more sensible, but Boris is being held to ransom by the U4T types who wouid vote against

Havnt we done a phased reduction though? Gradually got rid of all other restrictions, and reduced isolation times etc… and cases are still going down. What other sort of phasing do you want? Just not doing the next stage I understand, but I’m not sure what else there is the phase.

Not to say I think it’s a good idea to get rid of isolation, because I do think they should wait until we are well out of winter.

Thanks for clarifying - doesn't change my opinion either way though.

I wouldn’t give a second thought to anything Sage or iSage says. 100k cases a day as soon as masks not mandatory last summer? Cases fell for quite some time and only reached that level in the winter with a new highly transmissible variant. 6k deaths a day by mid-January if we didn’t lockdown over Christmas? Just two examples of their unfounded doom mongering.

Also can’t see how we’re suddenly getting rid of restrictions as they have been gradually removed. Testing and isolating are all that’s left now.

Quite frankly indie sage can get to fuck.

Again, I'll say please stop using "the vulnerable" to bolster your argument. Plenty of us "the vulnerable" are thrilled to return to normal life.

I agree with them over isolation after testing positive. Bully bosses will force people into work otherwise.

Will nobody follow the science?🤣🤣🤣

If all you care about is covid then yes probably best to keep restrictions

But you've got to balance the economy, people living their lives, peoples mental health, children's education, basically living in q functional country. It's all very well to say the vulnerable are being thrown to the wolves but firstly many vulnerable people are happy to go back to more of normality because they too have lives to lead, and secondly if we continue restrictions many businesses and peoples livelihoods will be thrown to the wolves, people are losing years of normal life. There's many factors to consider

They can fuck off.

@Whammyyammy

Will nobody follow the science?🤣🤣🤣

And mitigations, 💉and 😷 and look to the East!

@Dghgcotcitc

Yes they want us to remain in lockdown so obviously not in favour of a reduction they are right in that there preferred solution will result in less covid - but they have yet to set our details like, where does the country income (to pay for the nhs!) come from with no service sector? how do we get future doctors or scientists with no education system etc. But this problem is always easier if you can advise on the best measures for zero covid and to hell with the consequences. Once you take into account the wider picture and it becomes more difficult to balance.

Personally I think that unless we can afford to keep testing at the current levels (yes I know this is mumsnet where no one is testing but in the real world we are still looking at 900,000 registered tests a day!). It’s difficult to see what advantages there are to keeping the current isolation rules? self isolation with limited testing becomes a nonsense because most cases will not have to self isolate as they will never be diagnosed. Even at this level of testing it’s thought we only catch fifty percent of cases..so for fifty percent don’t self isolate anyway and that would grow unless we continue with high levels of testing which seems unaffordable as a longer term strategy.

We haven't been in lockdown for a year.

Seat belts and hepa filters!

@Whammyyammy

Will nobody follow the science?🤣🤣🤣

Lmao the science, the science, wherefore art though the science?

Sage can fuck off. If it were up to them we'd all be sat forever in our houses with masks on, washing our hands every 30 seconds.