Page 8 | Boyfriend announced he’s an anti vaxxer

mummykel16 · 17/02/2022 01:34

[quote Yeahthat]@riveted1

Lol directly reporting stats is now, "misinterpreting them"?

What next? "Reporting ONS statistics is hate speech!"

I don't think there's much point discussing this further with you. I believe that I'm considerably less dogmatic on the issue, and have taken an approach that's both more rational and sceptical.

I'm vaccinated, but ultimately believe that government measures were counterproductive, excessive, and dangerous.[/quote]
Same.
As was sacking thousands, for no reason.

MissTrip82 · 17/02/2022 02:19

Anyone who thinks the covid vaccines are the result of less than a year’s research has absolutely zero grasp of how these vaccines came about and is sufficiently proud of their own ignorance not to bother to educate themselves.

As for the PP who wants ‘more science done’……

The problem here is not with the years of research that underpin current vaccines but with a society that is producing people who’ve enjoyed the longest period of compulsory education in history and remain thick as mince.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 02:35

@MissTrip82

Anyone who thinks the covid vaccines are the result of less than a year’s research has absolutely zero grasp of how these vaccines came about and is sufficiently proud of their own ignorance not to bother to educate themselves.

As for the PP who wants ‘more science done’……

The problem here is not with the years of research that underpin current vaccines but with a society that is producing people who’ve enjoyed the longest period of compulsory education in history and remain thick as mince.

The last part is particularly bizarre: if someone would like more science done in order to trust a particular vaccine, they're therefore "thick as mince"?

You do know that science is never settled, is subject to constant revision, and that a theory never becomes fact - but is rather an explanation of them?

Therefore if someone errs on the side of caution and would like more evidence before subjecting themselves to a newly released treatment, that does not necessarily make them "thick."

We have had everyone from vice presidential candidates (now incumbent) in the US, to the EU casting doubts on the safety of specific vaccines.

You sound like a zealot.

duffeldaisy · 17/02/2022 06:50

@CaliFrown

I have had three Covid vaccinations, so am not an anti-vaxxer, but would find an anti-vaxxer easier to cope with than someone who said they have the Covid vaccination "because it's the right thing to do". Unthinking moral smugness and superiority would be far worse, for me, than anything an anti-vaxxer could throw at me.

Yes, it's irritating when people do something that is, scientifically, absolutely the right thing to do. The great thing about sociopaths is that they're never smug or morally superior. Far more fun to hang out with.

Tee20x · 17/02/2022 07:53

He's not anti-vax. He just doesn't want this vaccine, would people who don't want a flu vaccine be described as anti-vax?

As long as you like him and he's a nice guy I don't see why this would be an issue.

riveted1 · 17/02/2022 09:19

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riveted1 · 17/02/2022 09:24

Same.As was sacking thousands, for no reason.

I am really interested in this @mummykel16

You seem to keep implying that anti-science peddlers like the authors of the GBD, or others who spread misinformation, have lost their jobs and been silenced?

Who are you referring to? Who are these thousands of scientists who have lost their jobs?

As I've said the reason that you're repeating their claims demonstrates the amount of airtime they've had (and are still given), and I can't think of any scientist who has lost their job from dodgy research - these people just seem to benefit.

maddy68 · 17/02/2022 09:31

Depends on his reasons and if he was against everyone having them or just himself for a valid reason

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 17/02/2022 09:34

@maddy68

Depends on his reasons and if he was against everyone having them or just himself for a valid reason

Well, he's quoting antivax propaganda (the '10 years not one year' is the cry of the week, and has been deleted from at least one other MN thread because it is blatant misinformation)

So either he believes it or he's been duped by it.

Do you find either of those qualities an attractive one, OP?

Purplecatshopaholic · 17/02/2022 09:40

@Dontlooksup

Oh for God's sake. The anti anti vaxers are more annoying than the anti vaxers. For most people they're isn't much risk. If they don't want the vaccination when they aren't at much risk I can't get myself worked up about it.

This sums it up for me. His body, his choice. My body, my choice. Not a deal breaker for me personally.

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Gonnagetgoing · 17/02/2022 09:46

Not read some of the most recent replies but we are speaking and will probably meet on Sunday.

His body his choice. But as I said before if he's into conspiracy theories (I hope he isn't) that will be the end of it. Can't be doing with all that.

I don't really care re the antivax propaganda for now which he's been sold but will maybe be speaking to him about his research scientist friend and his views!

We do get on very well otherwise and I've not met him online and we actually reconnected after we met and dated 11 years ago (when we were both a bit more immature) so it's good that things can and do change. He's gone from being quite materialistic then and blase to being for past 8-10 years a member of a private health club and really into his health and fitness (not gym) and more of a family man but he was always into family before. He has a lot of nice qualities which is why I'm dating him now as opposed to some other men I've known.

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mummykel16 · 17/02/2022 10:21

@riveted1

Same.As was sacking thousands, for no reason.

I am really interested in this @mummykel16

You seem to keep implying that anti-science peddlers like the authors of the GBD, or others who spread misinformation, have lost their jobs and been silenced?

Who are you referring to? Who are these thousands of scientists who have lost their jobs?

As I've said the reason that you're repeating their claims demonstrates the amount of airtime they've had (and are still given), and I can't think of any scientist who has lost their job from dodgy research - these people just seem to benefit.

Anti science peddlers, yeah don't think I will bother with you anymore, toodles.

starshipsonfire · 17/02/2022 10:51

@Gonnagetgoing

So been seeing someone since November and he dropped the bombshell that he’s an anti vaxxer.

I’ve had both vaccines plus booster as it’s the right thing to do.

Are we doomed or should I get over this?

I don't really see the problem unless he's forcing you to not have vaccines. Surely if he doesn't want to have a vaccine that is his body his choice just as much as your choice to have a vaccine?

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 11:21

@riveted1

"You're all using up-to-date government statistics! That's misinformation!"

Lol are you ok?

I used the statistics on mean age to show that the mean age of death from covid is low.

What next? "NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO READ THE STATISTICS FOR YOURSELF, THAT'S FAR RIGHT EXTREMISM!"

So, let me get this straight: Statistics should be disregarded unless they support your viewpoint. Epidemiologists are quacks unless they confirm what you want to believe. You've found a comment piece on theconversation.com which 'debunks' anything you don't like.

As for the rest, have you considered that the reason that people's descriptions of the hysterical wing of the covid response are similar, is because they accurately describe your behaviour?

riveted1 · 17/02/2022 11:43

[quote Yeahthat]@riveted1

"You're all using up-to-date government statistics! That's misinformation!"

Lol are you ok?

I used the statistics on mean age to show that the mean age of death from covid is low.

What next? "NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO READ THE STATISTICS FOR YOURSELF, THAT'S FAR RIGHT EXTREMISM!"

So, let me get this straight: Statistics should be disregarded unless they support your viewpoint. Epidemiologists are quacks unless they confirm what you want to believe. You've found a comment piece on theconversation.com which 'debunks' anything you don't like.

As for the rest, have you considered that the reason that people's descriptions of the hysterical wing of the covid response are similar, is because they accurately describe your behaviour?[/quote]
I used the statistics on mean age to show that the mean age of death from covid is low.

I think you have nicely just demonstrated your lack of understanding of statistics @Yeahthat

Statistics should be disregarded unless they support your viewpoint. Epidemiologists are quacks unless they confirm what you want to believe.

Nope - raw figures should be interpreted correctly. You have given many examples of how they can be misused - ie like the "but more people in hospital are vaccinated than unvaccinated"

And nope, scientists are "quacks" if they are making claims not based on robust evidence - whatever argument they are making.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 11:48

@riveted1

Well done, you found a typo. My argument has been eviscerated.

Yes, no scientist ever has sufficiently robust evidence - unless it confirms what you want to believe of course.

riveted1 · 17/02/2022 11:51

[quote Yeahthat]@riveted1

Well done, you found a typo. My argument has been eviscerated.

Yes, no scientist ever has sufficiently robust evidence - unless it confirms what you want to believe of course.[/quote]

Nope, plenty of scientists/research groups have argued against various coronavirus policies using robust evidence.

The basis of the GBD is not robust - the tenets it was built on (i.e. reinfection not possible or highly unlikley, new variants will be slow to emerge), turned out to not be true.

I have no idea why you keep referring to my "hysterical behaviour" when I've repeatedly explained I'm not personally worried about contracting coronavirus due to my low risk, but that doesn't mean I can't point out misinformation like yours.

riveted1 · 17/02/2022 12:06

Posts like yours are genuinely wild because of this weird kind of aggression against anyone who points out very obvious claims not based in evidence.

I don't have any agenda beyond wanting policy to be evidence based. The GBD was not evidence based, and indeed many far more qualified have explained why, but you seem unwilling to contemplate this.

If new high quality research came out demonstrating, say, vaccination was uncessary for anyone under a certain age, I'd whole heartedly change my opinion and want policy to reflect this.

Any credible scientist will change their opinion if there is robust evidence that challeges the current viewpoint, it's not hard to understand.

Hyperion100 · 17/02/2022 12:13

If he's anti vaxx hes probably anti science.

Which means he might be a loon.

Yeahthat · 17/02/2022 12:14

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riveted1 · 17/02/2022 12:20

@Yeahthat

I've never had a post deleted for "personal abuse" - I think you're getting pretty desperate if you're resorting to such claims

I have pointed out that using raw numbers to mislead is numerically illiterate - and that Boris Johnson is for trying to claim the pandemic was not an issue back in March 2020 due to mean age of death being relatively high - not sure why you're taking such offence to this.

It isn't hard to understand that it can be factually correct that more people in hospital are vaccinated than unvaccinated, but this doesn't mean what the raw numbers imply.

I have very carefully explained how I'm not attached to any kind of "dogma"

JustMsInvisible · 17/02/2022 12:54

Depends if his view was in his opinion the only view anyone should have. If it’s a conversation he’s anti and you’re not and after the chat it wasn’t spoken about again like political views then it’s not an issue. But if I or he just spoke about it all the time I’d be off

JoAnnewithanE · 17/02/2022 14:22

His body his Choice but when it comes
To the kids that's a different kettle of fish

balalake · 17/02/2022 15:59

You may be restricted on where you can travel with him for a while, certainly this year, would that be an issue to you?

Bakewelltart987 · 17/02/2022 18:39

Every1 thinks the covid jab is the best thing since sliced bread And dont want to believe that actually there can be bad side effects from it because it hasn't happened to them.