If Boris goes will we reverse covid rules?

[Puppylucky]

Just that really. If the abolition of self isolation /testing etc is a ruse by Boris Johnson to divert press attention /stay in power and is a dangerous rejection of science, will this strategy be reversed by a new prime minister? I think it may be.

The fact that some people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and good luck!
The fact that the vast vast majority of people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and a milder strain.
The tiny minority who get very ill are unlucky. Or unvaccinated.

Surely if Boris goes, at this point we’ll have another Tory leader in power - and the Tories will be in for longer.

Unfortunately.
I’m sure the timing of all these party-gate headlines, are leaked by Tories wanting a better Tory in power - so they have a better chance of the Tories staying in next election.
No. I don’t think restrictions will change. It’ll just be another Tory saying the same thing,

@DockOTheBay

The fact that some people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and good luck! The fact that the vast vast majority of people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and a milder strain. The tiny minority who get very ill are unlucky. Or unvaccinated.

There is a tiny minority of vaccinated people who get hospitalised.

There is a considerable minority of vaccinated people who have ongoing debilitating symptoms, to the extent it may affect their future ability to earn and pay tax.

I agree with the statement above that SARS-COV-2 is not the flu.

Also Omicron is not 'mild' it is 'milder than Delta but more severe than original COVID' and it is due to the vaccines (and to a lesser extent treatments) that we are in a better position. More children are being hospitalised with Omicron than previous variants, for example.

Also, the UK is now rationing healthcare so I would say that that would suggest around 96% don't get ill enough to need treatment should actually read that would suggest around 96% don't get ill enough to get treatment as many people now are not getting the required treatment for both covid and everything else.

If Johnson went he would possibly be replaced by Sunak who is probably less keen on restrictions than Johnson.

I don't understand why people would think there would be some change if Boris goes.

I don't understand why people would think there would be some change if Boris goes

I do think there would be a change in approach to the politics of it all if there were a strong leader. Johnson is a deeply damaged leader now, he has lost a great deal of authority. The CRG and spartans in the party have him over a barrel. Their objection to covid restrictions is ideological - they didn;t want the first lockdown, which was clearly needed because we had no tools and no understanding of what covid could do if unchecked.

We do not know who would win a leadership contest. Tory leadership elections are notoriously unpredictable. Yes it could be Sunak - but there is real worry that he is unpopular and it is clear now that internal briefings against him are appearing in the press.

If it were not Sunak, and it were someone who appeared to have decent authority, I think the general approach to covid could start to be determined more by public opinion than Tory MP opinion.

I guess we will we have to wait and see!!

@Glitterandunicorns

I am horrified by the number of people talking about going back to normal or freedom or how this is just a cold. 314 people died in the last 24 hours from it.

I have clinically vulnerable people in my family who would definitely not fare well if they caught it, (if they survived it), and the sheer number of people who believe that it's a sniffle for everyone affected shocks and horrifies me. There is absolutely no consideration for those who are disabled or clinically vulnerable here.

Around 1,500 people died from other causes in the same 24hrs. Is it only covid deaths which matter?

This is a bit like when someone writes 'BLM' and someone responds with 'All lives matter'.

I really want Boris to go. Never mind the Covid rules.

No.

@JangolinaPitt

No-one other than the hysterical minority is going to be suckered into complying again now that it is a mild illness so irrelevant.

Not that mild or irrelevant to the few hundred dying a day, getting long covid etc. those of us CEV are not hysterical FFS - quit with being so fucking nasty

@FrenchFancie

This makes me so so cross. England is the only country dumping restrictions with numbers so high. CEV people have been thrown to the wall - is my mum just meant to never leave her house ever again? She’s fought off cancer just to stay home now until she dies of something else? How is that fair?!? The attitude of ‘well we’re all bored of it now so CEV just need to protect themselves’ is selfish in the extreme - and clearly said by someone who either doesn’t have CEV relatives or doesn’t give a fuck about them if they do.

@FrenchFancie

Exactly. No one is suggesting a full lock down - but all of this is just ridiculous and it's exposing the 'who gives a fuck' mentality of so many.

Best wishes for you mum staying well xx

@FrenchFancie

This is not a mild disease! My friend is in hospital on an Ecmo machine, it’s 50/50 if she’s going to ever make it out alive, and if she does she’s probably going to be disabled and unable to work again. Her 9 year old daughter is facing losing her mum.

My CEV mum would have a very difficult time of things if she caught it. We lost my otherwise fit and healthy uncle last January to covid.

It’s not a mild disease.

The fact that some people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and good luck!

Jesus wept it’s no wonder the rest of Europe look at the uk and BJ and wonder what kind of party drugs he’s on. The man is incompetent and doing anything to survive his political career and if that means a few more thousand people die than that’s ok by him!

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. I hope she makes it & her daughter doesn't lose her mum xx

Yep 'arse saving' at a high cost!!

It's a disgrace!!

@TheKeatingFive

politically-driven changes

Are they politically driven in all the other countries that are doing the same thing?

No other country is doing what we are.

No other country is doing what we are.

Norway pretty much is. Denmark and Sweden are coming close. Also ROI.

@Spectre8

Why does it have to be a ruse to divert attention? Numbers are down so are deaths to the point its not even a pandemic. It is still possible that not everything is done to divert attention from something else. Its the right thing to do.

Clearly you don't understand what pandemic means.

@VikingOnTheFridge

Of course it's political. It amazes me that we're nearly 2 years into this and anyone could fail to understand that all covid related decisions are unavoidably political, whether to introduce or get rid of restrictions.

Yes, but there's a HUGE difference in balancing health & economy than just doing something to save Boris.

@Quartz2208

Yes other countries timelines have changed but none of them have a leader who is under Police Investigation.

This is entirely driven not by any Covid data but by his desire to remain Prime Minister.

That isn't to say that if it was looked at it couldn't be justified but even until fairly recently the 24th March was seen as been the date we were working towards. I don't think anything has massively changed in the data that would change that date and I think most of us in England had that date and accepted it.

This is entirely about him saving his own skin and nothing else. And that is what makes it wrong.

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Absolutely!!

It’s the right decision there are always people on here who want this to go on and on and on because of xxxx reason. And saying it’s dangerous and xxx is in hospital is meaningless. It’s mild for the vast majority and that is why we need to get back to normal. Not cower behind the sofa.

I will continue to self isolate if I get it it but we cannot afford to carry on like this. There are also the people who are taking complete advantage of it and taking time off again and again and again leaving others to cover for them.

Yes, but there's a HUGE difference in balancing health & economy than just doing something to save Boris

I'm fairly agnostic on the issue of whether to do this now or in a few weeks time, but nah there isn't a huge difference. It's quite clear that getting rid of restrictions is the direction of travel, in which we aren't alone. Masks, testing and isolation haven't stopped us, or various other countries, from having an Omicron wave, and people aren't/weren't necessarily doing them even when the law requires/required. Waiting til whatever date in March you favour could probably be broadly justified too, but we are not talking vastly different positions here.

@bizmum1

Boris got Covid done.

That's what he wants everyone to believe, yes. He's blatantly using the removal of restrictions to please an ever growing lack of confidence in him, even amongst his own supporters.

We no longer appear to hear from the actual medics and experts. I don't think Boris cares tbh.

Wither we get rid of restrictions shouldn't be just because Boris wants to save himself. It should be because we got it under control and numbers had declined.

Whether he likes it or not we are still in a pandemic. It is not yet endemic.

Do I think the decision will be reversed? No

on a personal note, I'll be glad to be free of restrictions here. We won't be fully free of them for a while yet - most other countries still insist on testing or vaccines in some form to be able to visit them, so anyone wanting to travel will be subject to restrictions.

But just because I like the idea of no restrictions and living live as before, I'd have preferred the decision to have been based on actual health and science information rather than Boris wanting to save his prime minister role.