If Boris goes will we reverse covid rules?

[Puppylucky]

Just that really. If the abolition of self isolation /testing etc is a ruse by Boris Johnson to divert press attention /stay in power and is a dangerous rejection of science, will this strategy be reversed by a new prime minister? I think it may be.

I thought Johnson said we would be the most free country in Europe which would suggest we are at the far end of the spectrum.

Denmark and Sweden have removed nearly all restrictions, so while we are the most “free” country in Europe, others are not very far behind.

@TheKeatingFive

Sorry for the cross post, need to type a bit faster!

Just looking at the figures since dropping of the mask mandate two weeks ago, on the 26th January the 7 day averages were 92151 cases and 262 deaths and today they are 66200 cases and 204 deaths.

The predictions of doom prior to the removal of the mandate haven’t come to pass so perhaps removal of the remaining restrictions won’t either.

@TheKeatingFive

I thought Johnson said we would be the most free country in Europe which would suggest we are at the far end of the spectrum.

Denmark has been talked about as first to lift restrictions too, swiftly followed by Sweden, Norway. So no, not outlying.

I thought they still had isolation in Denmark for positive cases? Although they intend to review in a bit. I know nothing about the other two.

That is what I am specifically talking about - Johnson's moving forward by a month was done in order to prevent the CRG lot putting in their letters this week.

In completely unrelated news, I see the child covid admissions are hitting headlines today in Denmark. So it sounds fine there.

That is what I am specifically talking about - Johnson's moving forward by a month was done in order to prevent the CRG lot putting in their letters this week.

So they're one slight step forward, with others at their heels, and let's not forget the U.K. are furthest on with their omicron wave.

So no, not buying that this is entirely politically motivated when other countries doing almost the same, is entirely not.

@labyrinthlaziness

No requirement to isolate in Denmark since last week. Their only remaining restriction relates to unvaccinated visitors from other countries.

That's good to hear @TheKeatingFive, Johnson will be relieved to hear that you are one of the very tiny minority who still think he is not a total and utter charlatan who is desperately tryingt o be first in order to buy the short term support of the wacky wing of his party

p.s. you're wrong...

[quote 2X4B523P]@labyrinthlaziness

No requirement to isolate in Denmark since last week. Their only remaining restriction relates to unvaccinated visitors from other countries.[/quote]
Thank you!

Johnson will be relieved to hear that you are one of the very tiny minority who still think he is not a total and utter charlatan

I never said that, now did I?

Anyway not living in the U.K., Johnson's of not much relevance to me one way or the other.

You are very lucky - we are stuck with the fucking twat!

People often say covid is mild for many and it's been said on this thread. Does anyone on here know what the data is - e.g. for how many is it no worse than an average cold for? Thanks.

They are due to go in march anyway and other countries are also taking the leaD
The guidance may stay its the law thats going like foe chicken pox your advised to stay home not allowed in school etc but legally you can't be fined for not isolating

@labyrinthlaziness

You are very lucky - we are stuck with the fucking twat!

It could be worse, I am stuck with Justine Trudeau who is somehow even a bigger twat than Boris, and up until last week and equally large twat at the head of the other major party. Now we only have the one twat, unopposed. At least Boris is just an opportunist, JT is not only a sneaky slime-ball, he thinks he has the Truth.

@Blinky21 we don't have mow vaccine rates at all and we contributed to the who vaccine programme quite hugely
We have restrictions and cases are still high , how long do you think we can have them ? 10 years , 20

@TheKeatingFive I think your right ireand have been more conservative than england all along and they are looking at going the same way
I think its scary for people so that makes some panic and for others they just hate the goverment so whatever was decided wouldn't be right
Im on the fence part of me thinks great the other part thinks how will it pan out will we end up back at square one

I'll just point out, the reason last year there were more woories with similar level of hospital admissions is that those admission represented a smaller number of overall cases. The fear was that if cases went up much the numbers would be overwhelming.

Now, through chance more than design, there is almost completely uncontrolled spread, it's just through the population and everyone is being exposed regularly. But in part because of vaccination and in part because it behaves differently, we are not seeing the same level of illness. And depending on where you live it's either on the downturn for cases or close to it.

Isolating was no longer working so pointless to keep it up. It was just keeping essential workers out of their jobs.

@BeenToldComputerSaysNo

People often say covid is mild for many and it's been said on this thread. Does anyone on here know what the data is - e.g. for how many is it no worse than an average cold for? Thanks.

For how many is it no worse than an average cold? There probably isn't any exact figures on this, but for a rough back of an envelope calculation, since the start of the pandemic there have been 18 million recorded cases (so likely many more unrecorded given community testing wasn't initially available, and not everyone gets tested) and 700,000 people admitted to hospital with covid (though not necessarily because of covid) so that would suggest around 96% don't get ill enough to need treatment. Lots of caveats around that, and of course some people are still iller than they would be with a cold, without going to hospital, but should give a rough indication.

Being very ill isn’t confined to hospitalisation though. You have to be severely ill to be allowed to go. Many are treated at home via constant advice from gp and steroids and oxygen etc at home. That was me. Developed Covid pneumonia and bound for weeks. Still ill five months later. Classed as mild. My friend was half as ill with a normal chest infection and was hospitalised.

I’m just trying to say the numbers Who get this in a way that really affects there life are more than the number hospitalised

I'm so sorry you're still unwell @Vanderlayinfustries

You're absolutely right, of course. Focus on what is sometimes a mild initial infection ignores the potential longer term illness and disability.

I hope things start to get better for you

thought Johnson said we would be the most free country in Europe which would suggest we are at the far end of the spectrum.

The UK free?

Er, smoking 🚬 on trains and indoor public spaces?

Hmmm, we are free to exercise our personal responsibility and choice wrt smoking....and if other people don't want to breathe cigarette smoke, they can stay in or wear a mask. Oh...no, sorry. My mistake. Pah to freedom after all.

How about drug/poison of choice? The mention of Rory Stewart on another thread reminded me of his dalliance with opium. So do we in the UK have the freedom to choose opium, perhaps instead of alcohol? That would be a nope.

I could go on but it's past my bedtime.

Freedom. Oh so free are we. Not.

@treeflowercat

Which Omicron variant? Regardless which one, omicron reinfects. Some people might get it again and again and again. Each time further risking the damage to their immune system that SARS-COV-2 can cause.

There's no reason to believe that an omicron infection gives you very little protection from a further omicron infection over a short period. That would make it uniquely different not just to other Covid variants, but pretty much every virus in existence! The reinfection risk is in relation to previous variants. That's not to say it's impossible to be reinfected in a short timeframe, but very unlikely.

Well no reasons apart from the research from expert virologists and immunologists. But what would any of them know.

No.

Like champagne once you've popped the cork it can't be put back in.

Right decision?

On balance it had to be made at some point in respect we have to live with covid as we do with flu.

Timing? Suspect in the context of project "save Boris" and that's the problem.

I have no faith that the decision is based on evidence, rather it's based on a "good news" blitz to keep a lying, arrogant, adulterous, self-serving, egomaniac, indulgent, hypocritical, racist and super privileged get away with anything because his network of equally cunty allies use him to back up their best interests.

balance it had to be made at some point in respect we have to live with covid as we do with flu.

Living with something that kills and disables many means mitigations.

Like seat belts and speeding limits for cars, and mosquito nets and drugs for endemic malaria, 'living with' Covid would mean masks in certain situations and good ventilation.

Remember that Boris (and the ERG members) will have access to the best medical care and the currently short supply antivirals.

Also SARS-COV-2 is not the flu.