If Boris goes will we reverse covid rules?

[Puppylucky]

Just that really. If the abolition of self isolation /testing etc is a ruse by Boris Johnson to divert press attention /stay in power and is a dangerous rejection of science, will this strategy be reversed by a new prime minister? I think it may be.

No. The emergency covid powers run out at the end of March, so would have to be renewed by whoever becomes the new prime minister. They’d not get it through parliament.

Hope not and we’re not the only country to be getting rid of restrictions so not entirely convinced it’s a political move.

England is the only country removing restriction with numbers still so high. Other countries wait until they have it under control.

It's a political move.

I would hope not. But nobody here has a crystal ball.

No op. And he’s not going anywhere. It’s time now for normal life to resume, if you are cev or unvaccinated then it’s better to focus on how to protect yourself, but the restrictions are going, it’s best to accept that now.

@ChocolateDeficitDisorder

Hope not and we’re not the only country to be getting rid of restrictions so not entirely convinced it’s a political move.

England is the only country removing restriction with numbers still so high. Other countries wait until they have it under control.

It's a political move.

Sorry what numbers? Ceraintly not admissions or deaths, which include a large percentage of people who are admitted or died with Covid, not becayse of it, and also unvaccinated.

Even witty stood up and said the admissions etc include people admitted to mental health wards, people in road traffic accidents etc.

It’s important to understand the numbers, not jist read them and panic.

No-one other than the hysterical minority is going to be suckered into complying again now that it is a mild illness so irrelevant.

This makes me so so cross.
England is the only country dumping restrictions with numbers so high.
CEV people have been thrown to the wall - is my mum just meant to never leave her house ever again? She’s fought off cancer just to stay home now until she dies of something else? How is that fair?!?
The attitude of ‘well we’re all bored of it now so CEV just need to protect themselves’ is selfish in the extreme - and clearly said by someone who either doesn’t have CEV relatives or doesn’t give a fuck about them if they do.

This is not a mild disease!
My friend is in hospital on an Ecmo machine, it’s 50/50 if she’s going to ever make it out alive, and if she does she’s probably going to be disabled and unable to work again. Her 9 year old daughter is facing losing her mum.

My CEV mum would have a very difficult time of things if she caught it. We lost my otherwise fit and healthy uncle last January to covid.

It’s not a mild disease.

The fact that some people experience it as mild is down to vaccinations and good luck!

Jesus wept it’s no wonder the rest of Europe look at the uk and BJ and wonder what kind of party drugs he’s on. The man is incompetent and doing anything to survive his political career and if that means a few more thousand people die than that’s ok by him!

Boris got Covid done.

@Fairylightsongs

You'll find the numbers here
www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

@SantaClawsServiette

Lots of places are making these changes, so I don't know that the idea that this is primarily playing politics is all that accurate.

Many newspapers are reporting that we would be the first country in the world to abandon all covid restrictions, so lots of places may be dropping certain restrictions but certainly not all.

BJ just wants to be the first and to get himself out of the shit show of his own making. It's not backed by the science at all.

It’s simply not correct to suggest that England is the only country lifting restrictions before they have covid under control. Many counties across Europe (Denmark, Germany etc) are lifting restrictions whilst their covid numbers are still rising.

It depends, doesn't it?

One important note is that only 17% of public support lifting these mesaures just now. Obviously a much higher percentage of Tory MPs support lifting measures now, and as we know they are the only people that matter to Johnson just now.

Lifting isolation makes general activities more worrying for older people, who are most at risk from covid, and who are also a key constituency for the Tories.

So I am not sure where this policy goes, really. It could go either way, public opinion when aligned with scientific opinion sometimes trumps political will. But often not.

It is the wrong decision, scientifically and ethically, but we have the government we have, so here we are.

@bizmum1

Boris got Covid done.

He can tick it off his list, along with Brexit.

Two glorious successes!

Many newspapers are reporting that we would be the first country in the world to abandon all covid restrictions

I thought it was Denmark. With Sweden and Norway hot on its heels. ROI are also dropping almost all restrictions despite sky high numbers. And they have been extremely conservative up to now.

In all cases it's because they've passed the peak of omicron and the pressures on the health service have been much less than previous waves.

@Glitterandunicorns people like you really piss me off! 314 didn't due FROM covid they died WITH covid. Big difference.

I'm glad restrictions are gong.
DS tested positive recently. He's not vaccinated (too young). He had a headache for a morning. Then was absolutely fine, but not allowed To go to school for a week.

And people who say CEV will be cowering in their home forever- I have a close family member who is CEV. She caught covid recently- had 'a bit of a cold' and was then fine. Even before she caught it she'd much rather life goes back to normal

I doubt it'll be changed much. The Opposition has suppressed rated measures all along, and Labour mayors is considerable more keen on maintaining them than central government (masks on TfL for example)

The hard-right Rees-Mogg 'freedom for us and get the unsightly vulnerable out of the way' are (I fervently hope) not numerous enough to shape policy.

I still hope for balance - masks in medical settings, and on some forms of public transport (esp where windows cannot be opened) and isolation like we have for a number of other notifiable diseases.

314 people died in the last 24 hours from it.

I though it was with Covid, not because of it. And that it was inclusive of those who’d had Covid within 28 days of death?

So, if a person had Covid and was fine with it, but they sadly died in a car crash 3 weeks later, that death would be counted in the numbers even though the death was nothing to do with Covid?

If this has been changed to people whose death was 100% attributed to Covid and happened during an acute admission due to Covid then fair enough, 315 deaths is a lot in one day.

I think there is no doubt that he is doing it early than anticipated as a political move - February was never on the cards.

That said I think it was expected to be around the end of March to tie in with the sunset of the Coronavirus Act (so two years in effect). Whatever happens with Boris Johnson leadership new Leader would be after that date.

Then a General Election would be even further down the line - by that point it would either have been brought back because it was needed (new variant) or not. And I cannot imagine after trying to run last election on underdoing Brexit there is no way Labour would run the risk of running a campaign on underdoing Covid at all

Even if they did I think they'd struggle to get people to follow it again.

Even before the announcement about isolation ending I know loads of people who just don't test anymore so they don't need to isolate. Me included.

@DontWantTheRivalry it isnt 315 in one day - there has only been one day so far since February 2021 that deaths went over 300 and that was 21st January.

The frontline data (and it is why I think that probably needs to stop being reported on daily) is deaths by date reported and tends to be swing massively due to reporting issues.

If you go into by date of death there are signs it has peaked and I imagine may well stabilise around the 150-200 mark (still high though) and it still within 28 days

@DontWantTheRivalry

314 people died in the last 24 hours from it.

I though it was with Covid, not because of it. And that it was inclusive of those who’d had Covid within 28 days of death?

So, if a person had Covid and was fine with it, but they sadly died in a car crash 3 weeks later, that death would be counted in the numbers even though the death was nothing to do with Covid?

If this has been changed to people whose death was 100% attributed to Covid and happened during an acute admission due to Covid then fair enough, 315 deaths is a lot in one day.

Conversely the figures do NOT include people who died died directly as a result of covid 29, or e.g. 150 days after their test result. There are far more of those people than people dying in car crashes within the 28 day window.

Many of those who quibble endlessly over the figures are trying to spread misinformation IMO - look to the ONS death cert figures, they are basically reliable.

And as for underlying conditions - the majority of people who die from anything have underlying conditions, because most people who die are towards the older end of the spectrum (over 60) and most people of their age have at least one underlying condition.

Covid is still a high cause of death in the UK.

[quote kateg27]@Glitterandunicorns people like you really piss me off! 314 didn't due FROM covid they died WITH covid. Big difference. [/quote]
Not even that...

And once everyone has had Omicron we can all get the next variant and the next and hope they areny more deadly, there's no reason they won't be. That's what happens when you stockpile vaccines, don't commit to vaccinating poorer countries, have relatively low vaccination rates and remove all rules...