All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

[Cheekypeach]

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@SexyLittleNosferatu You've been very lucky to have experienced it mildly then. My point remains - It will be much worse for you then if you get so ill that you physically can't work. You can still get Covid again, and you're much more likely to if there are no measures controlling the spread, and there is much more likely to be a new variant that makes you very sick indeed. I really hope you don't as it sounds like you'd be stuffed if you got sick. But in your shoes I wouldn't be quite so gung ho for all restrictions to be removed.

I would NEVER no matter how much they angered me wish ill health on another person.

Nor me, it’s absolutely vile and exposes what these nasty control freaks are like when somebody doesn’t fall for their emotional blackmail. I would never actively wish so much as a scraped knee on anyone else’s kids, no matter what I thought of them.

Gov messaging has been doing the heavy lifting in terms of scaring people enough to comply so when that goes those that found it beneficial will lash out on here to a degree

But for the vast majority the risk was exaggerated and now will no longer be dialled up.

I think in reality the vulnerable have had two years of people being restricted to protect them, to make sure rhey don’t catch it, to make sure there is enough beds available to them. It is incredibly selfish, to look at the waiting lists, the damage to our economy, mental health, and demand it continues.

[quote ElftonWednesday]@SexyLittleNosferatu You've been very lucky to have experienced it mildly then. My point remains - It will be much worse for you then if you get so ill that you physically can't work. You can still get Covid again, and you're much more likely to if there are no measures controlling the spread, and there is much more likely to be a new variant that makes you very sick indeed. I really hope you don't as it sounds like you'd be stuffed if you got sick. But in your shoes I wouldn't be quite so gung ho for all restrictions to be removed.[/quote]
I haven't been "lucky". We have known from the start that it is a mild illness for the vast majority of people.

I don't understand your point at all. My bus home from work could crash and then I can't work. I could get any number of illnesses and be unable to work. Why is covid different? If you personally are afraid of it then it is up to you to take measures to "protect" yourself. You aren't making the point you think you are.

[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

But for the grace of god go I.

Maybe one day you will know what its like to have a vunerable child and how it feels to read over and over again.
I dont care about vuneravle children i just want to kill them off so my child and me can have freedom

2 months to ensure they have some protection from vaccines fuck that right.

So yep i dont really care if your child gets ill

What a pleasent world this is[/quote]
Pipe down.

@cheekypeach

You misunderstand. The i dont care if your child gets ill is how this post reads.
My child is highly likely ti get ill which is why they cant attend school right now. The vaccine would help reduce this risk but we wont have that mitigation to lower risk until end of april when they have had their 2 required doses due to needing a gap between doses.

[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

You misunderstand. The i dont care if your child gets ill is how this post reads.
My child is highly likely ti get ill which is why they cant attend school right now. The vaccine would help reduce this risk but we wont have that mitigation to lower risk until end of april when they have had their 2 required doses due to needing a gap between doses.[/quote]
So continue to keep your child at home until then? You can make your own choices without inflicting them on everyone else.

@nether

No, it is not a pleasant thought that CEV people may be placed at greater risk but they were always at risk before Covid and nobody did anything to modify their behaviour

This always comes up on threads such as these, and is as wrong now as it ever was.

It's simply not a correct comparison - covid is circulating at a much higher level in the population than other diseases (over 800 per 100k population) and the treatment options are not so good (and are rationed, not all the CEV qualify)

That may be the case but the economic and psychological impact of continued restrictions will produce a worse result than keeping them in place for the sake of CEV. It does sound harsh and heartless and it probably is but we just cannot carry on like this. Even if you are CEV, the vast majority will survive Covid. Children are being abused and sometimes even killed in their homes with nobody to intervene, their education disrupted, swathes of industries have ground to a halt, redundancies will come en-masse shortly and some people have suffered enormous impacts on their mental health.

I dont care about vuneravle children i just want to kill them off so my child and me can have freedom

Right. Go on, link to the posts and quote the posters who have said "l WANT TO KILL THEM OFF" when talking about children. You are the only person l have seen wishing ill health and damage to children. Gleefully it seems with your point that it's 'karma'.

It's posts like that which give mumsnet a bad name!! Ffs

Why is covid different?

If you are asking that, then I'm afraid we aren't on the same page at all. Are you also a Conservative voter, by any chance?

I'm not advocating lockdowns, in fact my DDs have been far more impacted by Covid restrictions than having Covid (in fact we have been lucky that none of us have had it). But am simply asking is it the right time now to relax everything, with cases so high? I fear it's politics rather than common sense. And will lead to lockdowns next winter, which I absolutely do not want, ever again.

@cheekypeach

Well im lucky thar we have been able to keep child at home. Not every family like ours has been able to do this.

We get zero support to do this and also my children deserves an education, they should be able to go places too.

Its not about the restrictions as yes they were always going to get removed at some point. It would have been preferavle if the most vunerable children could have had their vaccinations before restrictions were removed totally.

BUT the things that really pisses us off isnt the givernment who have never cared about vunerable children and have brought removal forward to save their own ass anyway.
The thing is people celebrating and saying iver and over again that the vunerable are vaccinated (when the children arent yet), that children have suffered enough through missed school (when vunerable children are syill going to be missing school or at even more risk).
Posters explain over and over again, why this isnt good news for everyone. We understand why you are happy for x, y and z.
We only wish youd appricate why this isnt great for others.
Its not a celebration, it is a process. Nit everyone agrees on the timing.

And dont forget that many people are still sufgering long covid, have lost loved ones because of covid directly or because covid reduced medical care for others.
The pandemic has been shit for many people for many different reasons its not a bloody celebration and while restrictions will be over coivd will not. So some people will still due, develop long covid or lose loved ones. While on a personal level you can be glad so some emphathy for others and recogbise while covid may not make you ill that is not the same for everyone

@ElftonWednesday

Why is covid different?

If you are asking that, then I'm afraid we aren't on the same page at all. Are you also a Conservative voter, by any chance?

I'm not advocating lockdowns, in fact my DDs have been far more impacted by Covid restrictions than having Covid (in fact we have been lucky that none of us have had it). But am simply asking is it the right time now to relax everything, with cases so high? I fear it's politics rather than common sense. And will lead to lockdowns next winter, which I absolutely do not want, ever again.

It won’t make much difference re what happens in winter.

@nether

No, it is not a pleasant thought that CEV people may be placed at greater risk but they were always at risk before Covid and nobody did anything to modify their behaviour

This always comes up on threads such as these, and is as wrong now as it ever was.

It's simply not a correct comparison - covid is circulating at a much higher level in the population than other diseases (over 800 per 100k population) and the treatment options are not so good (and are rationed, not all the CEV qualify)

How can you possibly know the rate at which other viruses are circulating? We don't test for any other virus on the scale at which we're testing for covid. We have no idea the scale of people with Flu, norovirus, RSV, rhinovirus, chicken pox, because people don't test for them (unless hospitalised). Many of those also can present with zero symptoms for many people, or very very mild symptoms.

Yay! Hoping I can carry on working from home though!

Fantastic news

@ElftonWednesday

Why is covid different?

If you are asking that, then I'm afraid we aren't on the same page at all. Are you also a Conservative voter, by any chance?

I'm not advocating lockdowns, in fact my DDs have been far more impacted by Covid restrictions than having Covid (in fact we have been lucky that none of us have had it). But am simply asking is it the right time now to relax everything, with cases so high? I fear it's politics rather than common sense. And will lead to lockdowns next winter, which I absolutely do not want, ever again.

Why would it lead to lockdowns next winter? Everyone said that about this winter and they didn't materialise (and didn't need to - hospitalisations, which was of course the reason for the lockdowns, stayed far lower than the previous winter).

We get zero support to do this and also my children deserves an education, they should be able to go places too.

Well you join the masses who got zero support while losing their incomes, but in their case it wasn’t even to protect anyone under their roof! At least you gained a personal benefit.

As for ‘going places’, sorry but I disagree. If you’ve only got a couple of months to wait for the jab, the onus is on you to not go anywhere you feel too risky in that time. The alternative is expecting the entire country to be restricted on your behalf - that is not reasonable or proportionate.

I do wonder whether we have forgotten what being CEV looked like prior to the pandemic? My MIL has had stage 4 cancer and been in some sort of immuno-suppressant treatment for the last 4 years. Pre-pandemic she would be vigilant with hand hygiene and avoid friends or family who had any sort of illness. No mask wearing, no shielding and she would generally carry on living a normal life.

When the restrictions end that is what she can go back to. I suspect she won't due to the terror that has been created around covid and that anyone who is CEV who gets it will die.

I think it's dreadfully sad that those who have life limiting conditions will be limiting their quality of life for a risk that is now no worse than it was pre-pandemic. However if that is what they want to do that is their prerogative. It's wrong that they expect us all to continue living with ineffective and disproportionate restrictions just because they want to 🤷‍♀️

How can you possibly know the rate at which other viruses are circulating? We don't test for any other virus on the scale at which we're testing for covid. We have no idea the scale of people with Flu, norovirus, RSV, rhinovirus, chicken pox, because people don't test for them (unless hospitalised). Many of those also can present with zero symptoms for many people, or very very mild symptoms

Lots of people make assumptions about flu in particular that really don't have any basis in fact. I've noticed during the pandemic that people's awareness of the existence asymptomatic viruses has generally increased because of covid, but even so we still get quite regular posts on here claiming that those with flu won't be going out and spreading it because they'll inevitably be too sick. Nope!

@ElftonWednesday

Why is covid different?

If you are asking that, then I'm afraid we aren't on the same page at all. Are you also a Conservative voter, by any chance?

I'm not advocating lockdowns, in fact my DDs have been far more impacted by Covid restrictions than having Covid (in fact we have been lucky that none of us have had it). But am simply asking is it the right time now to relax everything, with cases so high? I fear it's politics rather than common sense. And will lead to lockdowns next winter, which I absolutely do not want, ever again.

We are moving into spring. Cases naturally go down in spring and summer. There is zero justification for being strict now ‘to avoid winter lockdown’. Whether winter lockdown next year happens has little correlation to what we do in spring/summer. It’s like the people saying ‘we need to follow the rules now to avoid another lockdown in a few months’. Nope, a future rise in cases is not dependent on what you choose to do in the present. The virus doesn’t go away just because you’re locked down. It is still there.

We had that kind of blackmail in Nov

If we don’t do a ‘circuit breaker’ now we’ll end in lock down in Jan

(So a lockdown with a nicer name to prevent another one )

It didn’t happen and the tactic of getting compliance using the same is over

Brilliant news. Back to normality at last!

[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

Well im lucky thar we have been able to keep child at home. Not every family like ours has been able to do this.

We get zero support to do this and also my children deserves an education, they should be able to go places too.

Its not about the restrictions as yes they were always going to get removed at some point. It would have been preferavle if the most vunerable children could have had their vaccinations before restrictions were removed totally.

BUT the things that really pisses us off isnt the givernment who have never cared about vunerable children and have brought removal forward to save their own ass anyway.
The thing is people celebrating and saying iver and over again that the vunerable are vaccinated (when the children arent yet), that children have suffered enough through missed school (when vunerable children are syill going to be missing school or at even more risk).
Posters explain over and over again, why this isnt good news for everyone. We understand why you are happy for x, y and z.
We only wish youd appricate why this isnt great for others.
Its not a celebration, it is a process. Nit everyone agrees on the timing.

And dont forget that many people are still sufgering long covid, have lost loved ones because of covid directly or because covid reduced medical care for others.
The pandemic has been shit for many people for many different reasons its not a bloody celebration and while restrictions will be over coivd will not. So some people will still due, develop long covid or lose loved ones. While on a personal level you can be glad so some emphathy for others and recogbise while covid may not make you ill that is not the same for everyone[/quote]
Yes this. All people are saying please understand it is not great news for everyone. Someone else asked what the vulnerable want going forward. I would like the most basic of mitigation measures to be kept into place until vulnerable children are vaccinated. And as for that i want this to be sped up. I spoke with my son's consultant yesterday asking when when when we might be finally getting the first vax and he told me that the vaccine hub in our area confirmed to him that they have not yet decided if it will be rolled out via GPs or via vaccine centres and have not yet even approached the GPs in our area for their lists of eligible children in any case. Vulnerable children should have been vaccinated months ago.... or at the very least their parents should have been given a choice for them to be vaccinated months ago. The US have been vaccinating since halfway through last year I believe.