All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

[Cheekypeach]

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@cheekypeach

When i say zero support... i mean no educational support, not being able to work for 2 years due to my role being in education so not having my income at all. Luckily 1 parent able to work as not much contct with others in their job.
Not have people understand why the children arent at school.
Highly limited social contact for 2 year for adults and children.

Lilited access to normal medical care due to reduced appointments

So if you have struggled with the tests you have needed to do and the times you have had to isolate imagine that constantly.
If you struggled with home ed with support from school, imagine doing it without support and having to plan everything yourself.

If you have struggled with loss of income for short bursts, imagine a loss of income for 2 years.

@Cheekypeach

The difficulty is that there’s no market for an “anti -Telegraph” publishing weary articles about why the latest telegraph interpretation on the pandemic is false.

We can see covid transmissibility by the current rate v other respiratory illnesses. The majority of the respiratory illness at the moment are covid. That means there’s more covid than all the other colds and flu combined.
ONS comparisons here: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/overview

We can se how deadly it is here:
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

v influenza here:
www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

You can’t take a straight comparison between deaths when there are restrictions and deaths from before there are restrictions - it’s such a different environment for a disease to spread and for people to access treatment. There’s still a lot of research to be done and omicron will not be the last variant.

Deaths from influenza were 1598 in 2018 and 1223 in 2019, which looks really low compared with Covid in 2022, but Covid kills more people because it infects more people, not because it’s significantly deadlier. Twice as deadly still isn’t THAT deadly for generally young and health people. But because it’s so so much more transmissible it’s impact at a wider community level is much much worse so much more people will die without restrictions. That’s why masks and ventilation are so important. We (you) pose a far greater risk to the people around you more due to the transmissibility than the overall seriousness.

I hope most people will continue to wear masks and stay home when such, but judging by this thread that’s not going to happen.

All pandemics end, but we’re not there yet.

I have done what's expected, masks,isolating etc

But I'm not prepared to jeopardise our income in any way at all

Because that then makes US vulnerable

ButtOutBobsMum I agree with you wholeheartedly.

A member of my immediate family has complex severe life-limiting disabilities and more health conditions than I could list. He wasn't expected to live beyond 2 years old. He is vulnerable to the common cold. 4 years ago he spent 17 weeks in hospital after catching a cold, he went onto develop sepsis and nearly died. I can promise you that nobody bar his family gave one single solitary shit about him before covid came along. Now they use people like him to hide behind. As it happens, he caught covid, pre vaccines and was completely fine. We make the choice as a family for him to live his best life and to fill each day with fun and adventure. Not to hide from another illness that may or may not affect him badly.

I cannot abide people using him and "the vulnerable" (as though it is one homogenous mass) to put across their points, and far worse, to wish illnesses on other children as a punishment for having a different take on life.

The US have been vaccinating since halfway through last year I believe.

And yet cases there have still soared......

So those who are CEV or have a family member who is, what did you do prior to covid, in flu season or say in the face of norovirus infection or a heavy chesty cold?
Now that Covid has weakened itself to that of a heavy cold for most, isn’t it time to put similar precautions in place?
I understand it must be a worrying time, but is it realistic for the whole nation to continue with restrictions? If we don’t have a good working economy there won’t be enough tax revenue to fund the NHS. Sadly there is no magic money tree.
What would your solution be?

@wellbythebloodyhell

Not relevent through as the vaccinations give personal protection which UK vunerable children havent been able to have yet.

Agree.

There were some “university” staff posting on the HIgher Education threads saying that university could be totally online forever more as this was helpful to disabled students. Yeah, right. So disabled students want to spend even more time stuck at home .

The cf posters were just using the disability angle for their own ends, amply demonstrated when the same crew slagged off pesky students and were salivating about being able to upload the same lectures year after year and just stay at home - all on the taxpayer (and student loan) dollar no less.

The agree was to the “vulnerable appropriation”.

@DottyHarmer

Agree.

There were some “university” staff posting on the HIgher Education threads saying that university could be totally online forever more as this was helpful to disabled students. Yeah, right. So disabled students want to spend even more time stuck at home .

The cf posters were just using the disability angle for their own ends, amply demonstrated when the same crew slagged off pesky students and were salivating about being able to upload the same lectures year after year and just stay at home - all on the taxpayer (and student loan) dollar no less.

Tg they didn’t get their way. Unbelievable what people will attempt

My solution would be to make sure the CEV children are vacicnated before restrictions were removed.

My child is particularly vunerable to covid and has no protection till they have had both doses of vaccine.
Other illnesses generally arent circulating in as high a number as covid currently is. My child already has some natural pritection to other illnesses. Via vacination programme, previous infection prior and antibodies. And when they get ill in the past the hospitaks were slightly less overwhelmed. Currently hospitalisation in children is rising.

But most what i would like is some understanding that while personally you may be happy and low risk not everyone is in the same boat so celebrating and saying sod the vunerable isnt greta attitude

I can promise you that nobody bar his family gave one single solitary shit about him before covid came along. Now they use people like him to hide behind

I can well believe it.

I think people have a hard time acknowledging health is a lottery, it isn’t fair and it can’t be ‘levelled up’ by dragging everyone down to the same level.

I think this is very true. We should look to ensure the CEV are protected as far as possible within the context of this by continuing to provide access to testing, anti-vitals, and high quality masks, but to do otherwise is unrealistic and unsustainable, and would require measures far in excess of what we now have permanently.

Applying this thinking elsewhere would be like saying that a theatre, instead of providing access to those who are disabled and a viewing area for wheelchairs, should strip out all its seats and require everyone to bring their own chairs along, so it's entirely fair.

I never once said sod the vulnerable, I simply asked what your solution would be.
You know that the vaccine, which of course vulnerable children should have, won’t stop them from contracting the virus, hopefully it will just be milder.

@Covidworries

My solution would be to make sure the CEV children are vacicnated before restrictions were removed.

My child is particularly vunerable to covid and has no protection till they have had both doses of vaccine.
Other illnesses generally arent circulating in as high a number as covid currently is. My child already has some natural pritection to other illnesses. Via vacination programme, previous infection prior and antibodies. And when they get ill in the past the hospitaks were slightly less overwhelmed. Currently hospitalisation in children is rising.

But most what i would like is some understanding that while personally you may be happy and low risk not everyone is in the same boat so celebrating and saying sod the vunerable isnt greta attitude

It's crazy that they haven't had these jabs already. What's the hold up? Is it different size doses?

@SexyLittleNosferatu

I've just had Covid myself and signed off work 6 weeks with no sign of getting better

I can't afford 6 weeks off work. I won't get paid. My husband is recently disabled and lost his job in September so I have to get paid. Unless you're volunteering to cover my rent for me?

My comment wasn't aimed at you. I was talking out loud.

It’s only because Boris is trying to distract us all from his rule breaking

Of course it is, but it doesn't automatically follow that it's the wrong thing to do

And yes, the vulnerable will still have difficulties, but sadly they always have and Covid will be just one more challenge to go with all the rest

@Whattochoosenow
It’s a risk assessment. Because covid is so much more transmissible than the cold or flu, there’s a very high chance that if I go on a busy bus, train or into a restaurant or bar someone in there will have covid and I will contract it. Pre covid there was a lower chance both that someone in that environment would have a cold or flu AND would transmit it to me. And that’s without considering the relative risks to me if I get it.

Precovid I would risk it because the alternative was never going out and the risk of exposure to a serious respiratory illness was relatively low, particularly outside flu season, but now the risk is high, so I’m much more restricted.

I’d love to be spending money in pubs and restaurants! Without restrictions I can’t.

The pandemic has been good in some ways for some disabled people. I really hope that employers and universities use what they’ve learnt to make services, learning and jobs more accessible to disabled people.

[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

When i say zero support... i mean no educational support, not being able to work for 2 years due to my role being in education so not having my income at all. Luckily 1 parent able to work as not much contct with others in their job.
Not have people understand why the children arent at school.
Highly limited social contact for 2 year for adults and children.

Lilited access to normal medical care due to reduced appointments

So if you have struggled with the tests you have needed to do and the times you have had to isolate imagine that constantly.
If you struggled with home ed with support from school, imagine doing it without support and having to plan everything yourself.

If you have struggled with loss of income for short bursts, imagine a loss of income for 2 years.[/quote]
You don’t get it do you?

Let me do a bit of an analogy so you can understand what I’m trying to say.

Imagine we share a driveway, and for several months you’ve had building work going on & a massive skip blocking the driveway so neither of us can use it.

I say, ‘Why should I lose the use of my driveway to benefit you and your building works?’
You’re saying ‘Think how it is for me, I need to park my car there more than you do’

Yes but it’s your building works. It ultimately benefits you; so moaning about how annoying it is to lose the driveway does not garner much sympathy with me, who has lost the driveway but for zero personal gain.

Do you get it now?

The risk to any child vulnerable or not is miniscule. Its probably more dangerous driving down the motorway with them in the back of the car.

I'd love to loose all restrictions, I'd also love to loose COVID, flue, Norovirus (while we are at it would be nice if Cancer, heart disease and every other illness would do one) but they are all still here. So I think the isolation when ill is quite sensible. Policing irresponsible adults in the same way we do kids. My DC is off school today, perfectly healthy but sick once at school yesterday. We were off a few weeks ago, again perfectly well enough in themselves for school but because of chicken pox. All to help keep the school community healthy. Likewise why not keep adults off work with COVID, Flu, A Cold etc. So many come to work like bloody warriors, infect everyone else and then half the company are sick.

So keep some of the restrictions (or medical recommendations) as a standard working practice, protect the vulnerable, not just from COVID but all the other viruses that can be very sever for them and unpleasant for the non-vulnerable.

Make that the COVID exit plan, and back it up with proper SSP and Pay for time off with dependents.

[quote kistanbul]@Whattochoosenow
It’s a risk assessment. Because covid is so much more transmissible than the cold or flu, there’s a very high chance that if I go on a busy bus, train or into a restaurant or bar someone in there will have covid and I will contract it. Pre covid there was a lower chance both that someone in that environment would have a cold or flu AND would transmit it to me. And that’s without considering the relative risks to me if I get it.

Precovid I would risk it because the alternative was never going out and the risk of exposure to a serious respiratory illness was relatively low, particularly outside flu season, but now the risk is high, so I’m much more restricted.

I’d love to be spending money in pubs and restaurants! Without restrictions I can’t.

The pandemic has been good in some ways for some disabled people. I really hope that employers and universities use what they’ve learnt to make services, learning and jobs more accessible to disabled people.[/quote]
Adults get colds 2-3 times each year on average... They're pretty ubiquitous!

I've been in many social situations since Christmas and haven't caught Covid, not to mention living with two school children. Of course there's a lot of Covid about, but we shouldn't overplay it either.

I think when the OP is comparing acting to prevent serious illness/risk of death in a child to losing a parking space, it’s time for all otherwise sensible people to stop away from the thread.

Hope everyone stays safe and well.

@kistanbul

I think when the OP is comparing acting to prevent serious illness/risk of death in a child to losing a parking space, it’s time for all otherwise sensible people to stop away from the thread.

Hope everyone stays safe and well.

And the emotional blackmail and vastly disproportionate scaremongering continues. Quelle surprise.

You know damn well I’m not comparing it to a parking space, you’re being disingenuous to once again shut down the conversation and use emotion as a weapon. It’s tiresome.