All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

[Cheekypeach]

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[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

But for the grace of god go I.

Maybe one day you will know what its like to have a vunerable child and how it feels to read over and over again.
I dont care about vuneravle children i just want to kill them off so my child and me can have freedom

2 months to ensure they have some protection from vaccines fuck that right.

So yep i dont really care if your child gets ill

What a pleasent world this is[/quote]
So you don’t care if my kid gets ill but you expect me to care about yours 😂 all kinds of selfish & hypocritical

And yes, I do prioritise my child over other people’s. That’s exactly what you’re doing as well so you have zero right to feel superior.

@Overthebow there is no legal requirement but schools enforce the rule and in general most people realise that it's pretty selfish to spread such an unpleasant and contagious bug to others.

The same with chicken pox. People have to quarantine for a period of time as it's widely accepted that chicken pox can be very bad for pregnant women or those who are otherwise vulnerable. We just do this because it's the right thing to do.

It feels like people are so sick of covid restrictions (understandably) that they are no longer willing to do the right thing. I honestly could not happily go about my business knowing that I was covid positive and potentially spreading it about.

I have mixed feelings. I'm personally ok with it, and am happy for my young adult children. But I feel bad for CEV people I know who are worried.
The timing is hard to justify and I agree it appears to be driven by Johnson's political problems.

Some of the more triumphalist posts on this thread are a bit off - it isn't good news for everyone by any means.

And further more puts on hard hat those of you trying to attack me over your vulnerable children are probably doing more harm to them than I am.

Very sadly, 12 children under 5 died from covid in the year from October 2020-September 2021. This includes the worst period of covid we had, the winter Delta wave when nobody was vaccinated. In the 5-9 group it was even lower at 10.

Now, covid has mutated into something less deadly than flu. And the vast majority of the population has been double or triple jabbed.

So the risk even to vulnerable children is minuscule.

Let them and us live our lives, and stop with the hysterical fear mongering.

The numbers in schools have been very high and peaked because isolation doesn’t slow omicron down that much.

That’s why you get posts re high cases and numbers in data reflecting it too

It’s unlikely dc will have avoided omicron during the peak then decline as it’s so transmissible

Well said op!

[quote Covidworries]@cheekypeach

But for the grace of god go I.

Maybe one day you will know what its like to have a vunerable child and how it feels to read over and over again.
I dont care about vuneravle children i just want to kill them off so my child and me can have freedom

2 months to ensure they have some protection from vaccines fuck that right.

So yep i dont really care if your child gets ill

What a pleasent world this is[/quote]
Ok I AM a parent of a vulnerable child, he'll be having his first jab next week and guess what, I'm also happy for isolation to stop.

I've been making judgements on what is needed to keep him (as) safe (as possible) since it first became apparent at a few months old that a bog standard cold could make him extremely ill. I've been making the judgement call on whether he needs to go to hospital for over 11years.
But I've never expected the rest of the world to stop in with a cold just because it would affect him far more than the vast majority. I did keep him off school for a few days when a nasty cold was doing the rounds, but he'd already caught it, so we still had the usual for the months of Sept-Mar fight to keep him out of hospital.
The vast vast majority of parents of vulnerable children (and he is vulnerable in ways other than just covid btw), have been living in this balancing act for a long time, because our children are also vulnerable to other viruses.
I do feel for people new to this kind of life, but honestly you get used to deciding if something is worth the risk.

Omicron is still believed to be 10 times worse than the flu - twice as deadly plus five times as transmissible.
The OP’s claim that it’s less deadly than the flu is based on the linked Telegraph article that explains why “most experts” and the “Office for National Statistics” are wrong about how dangerous Covid is. You’re all free to choose to listen to the reasoning of journalists over scientists and statisticians, but I know who I believe.

Exactly @firef1y

The reaction by some of the posters on this thread is so massively disproportionate. They use emotion as a weapon to make it impossible to have any reasoned discussion.

It is bonkers.... Why go from one extreme to the next? So people positive with Covid can go on coughing over innocent others in the shop? I've just had Covid myself and signed off work 6 weeks with no sign of getting better. It sucks.

@kistanbul

Omicron is still believed to be 10 times worse than the flu - twice as deadly plus five times as transmissible. The OP’s claim that it’s less deadly than the flu is based on the linked Telegraph article that explains why “most experts” and the “Office for National Statistics” are wrong about how dangerous Covid is. You’re all free to choose to listen to the reasoning of journalists over scientists and statisticians, but I know who I believe.

Many commentators and experts still believe that Covid is deadlier than flu because they are using a cumulative case fatality rate - which is currently running at around 0.9 per cent - nearly 10 times higher than flu. But that figure is now misleading because it captures the high death rate before mass vaccination and widespread infection, and is another example of problems with the current data.

They use emotion as a weapon to make it impossible to have any reasoned discussion

I agree.

"Do what I want or I will wish illness on you/your child". These are the same people calling others selfish. I think not.

I've just had Covid myself and signed off work 6 weeks with no sign of getting better

I can't afford 6 weeks off work. I won't get paid. My husband is recently disabled and lost his job in September so I have to get paid. Unless you're volunteering to cover my rent for me?

@SexyLittleNosferatu It will be much worse for you then if you get so ill that you physically can't work.

@Cheekypeach

Exactly *@firef1y*

The reaction by some of the posters on this thread is so massively disproportionate. They use emotion as a weapon to make it impossible to have any reasoned discussion.

We’ve had this a lot throughout - unless you comply this will happen

Now it’s moved on to just wait til you get the same, a new version of fear campaign

The risk though is small for most so it’s better to keep that in mind.

@Cheekypeach

Yes, that’s one of the reasons the article gives. None of the professional statisticians have noticed that. Zero. Or maybe it’s just a very misleading article. The cumulative figures are standard. To compare like with like you need to use the same methodology.

The article also uses pre-pandemic figures - before social distancing and mask wearing - as the flu baseline rathe than current figures. Meaning it’s comparing deaths based on very high community flu figures to a time when there are restrictions and thus very low flu figures and thanks to restrictions relatively low covid figures. Covid is significantly more transmissible than flu as can be seen by the current flu v covid numbers. There are good reasons why people who work in statistics and Heath research disagree with Telegraph journalists, and it’s not because journalists are better at stats and health research.

I get you want restrictions to end and you’re happy your family will be able to go out wherever they need to, but if we’re going to open up and keep our families and communities safe we need to recognise that this is a lot more dangerous than the flu and behave accordingly.

@SexyLittleNosferatu

They use emotion as a weapon to make it impossible to have any reasoned discussion

I agree.

"Do what I want or I will wish illness on you/your child". These are the same people calling others selfish. I think not.

Exactly.

By all means disagree with the decision to end restrictions early. Totally legitimate. And by all means want to prioritise your loved ones and wishes over other people's, where there's a conflict. Perfectly normal. But understand that your selfishness is not morally better than anyone else's.

In my experience, the people who are advocating for continued lockdowns and heavy restrictions are ones for whom actually lockdown isn't actually that bad because they have a spouse/partner, a family and a decent place to live and they can work form home. They don't seem to realise that there are people who have gone through hell and back due to the lockdowns we have had and whose lives have been made utterly intolerable. No, it is not a pleasant thought that CEV people may be placed at greater risk but they were always at risk before Covid and nobody did anything to modify their behaviour. Even CEV people have a very low chance of dying from Covid and healthy people under 50 have a miniscule chance that in no way justifies restrictions any more than banning all forms of transport because there have been car and train crashes.

[quote kistanbul]@Cheekypeach

Yes, that’s one of the reasons the article gives. None of the professional statisticians have noticed that. Zero. Or maybe it’s just a very misleading article. The cumulative figures are standard. To compare like with like you need to use the same methodology.

The article also uses pre-pandemic figures - before social distancing and mask wearing - as the flu baseline rathe than current figures. Meaning it’s comparing deaths based on very high community flu figures to a time when there are restrictions and thus very low flu figures and thanks to restrictions relatively low covid figures. Covid is significantly more transmissible than flu as can be seen by the current flu v covid numbers. There are good reasons why people who work in statistics and Heath research disagree with Telegraph journalists, and it’s not because journalists are better at stats and health research.

I get you want restrictions to end and you’re happy your family will be able to go out wherever they need to, but if we’re going to open up and keep our families and communities safe we need to recognise that this is a lot more dangerous than the flu and behave accordingly.[/quote]
Where is your evidence?

[quote ElftonWednesday]@SexyLittleNosferatu It will be much worse for you then if you get so ill that you physically can't work.[/quote]
Not sure I get this? I've had covid twice. If I hadn't known it was covid I would have gone to work with a cold like i've done my entire working life.

@Skilovingmama

In my experience, the people who are advocating for continued lockdowns and heavy restrictions are ones for whom actually lockdown isn't actually that bad because they have a spouse/partner, a family and a decent place to live and they can work form home. They don't seem to realise that there are people who have gone through hell and back due to the lockdowns we have had and whose lives have been made utterly intolerable. No, it is not a pleasant thought that CEV people may be placed at greater risk but they were always at risk before Covid and nobody did anything to modify their behaviour. Even CEV people have a very low chance of dying from Covid and healthy people under 50 have a miniscule chance that in no way justifies restrictions any more than banning all forms of transport because there have been car and train crashes.

Quite.

I think people have a hard time acknowledging health is a lottery, it isn’t fair and it can’t be ‘levelled up’ by dragging everyone down to the same level.

I say this as a CV person with an incurable lifelong condition which has a big impact on my day to day life. Shit happens 🤷🏼‍♀️ Putting everyone else under restrictions won’t change my health status nor will it make me happier.

@Cheekypeach

And no I won’t be testing my toddler again unless there is some kind of exceptional need to do so. Having someone hold her down while she screams as I shove a plastic stick up her nose every few weeks has been hideous, to the point where she becomes hysterical just driving past the testing site.

There have always been vulnerable people, it’s for them to assess their risks individually and mitigate them, not for the whole of society to live under restrictions.

I am CV, have been for years thanks to the wonderful meds I have to take. I wholeheartedly agree.

Also feel you about testing toddlers - my 19 month old has had countless tests cos he has constant coughs, colds etc as he goes to nursery. He completely loses the plot when he sees a test swab, let alone actually doing it. It’s horrendous and quite frankly, I can’t wait to not have to keep putting him through it anymore.

@livinthedream1995 poor little things it goes against every parental instinct doesn’t it.

No, it is not a pleasant thought that CEV people may be placed at greater risk but they were always at risk before Covid and nobody did anything to modify their behaviour

This always comes up on threads such as these, and is as wrong now as it ever was.

It's simply not a correct comparison - covid is circulating at a much higher level in the population than other diseases (over 800 per 100k population) and the treatment options are not so good (and are rationed, not all the CEV qualify)

@SexyLittleNosferatu

They use emotion as a weapon to make it impossible to have any reasoned discussion

I agree.

"Do what I want or I will wish illness on you/your child". These are the same people calling others selfish. I think not.

Agree, and it's mind-boggling that they think by doing so and wishing the 'bad karma' of becoming ill on people's children and thinking they hold the moral high ground! Having had an ill child and seeing them being rushed off to a different specialist hospital from our local a&e, I would NEVER no matter how much they angered me wish ill health on another person.