All Covid rules to be scrapped at end of the month!

[Cheekypeach]

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@DaisyDreaming

I feel for those who are vulnerable. While the healthy celebrate it’s a scary time for the vulnerable

Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. My 7yo is classed as vulnerable, not only to covid but to a myriad of other common illnesses. Over his life we've had to make our own risk assessments and adjust our and his lives, experiences etc accordingly, and over time integrate into normal life. We've never expected the rest of the world to change the way they live according to his risk, to make life easier for him. I totally get how scary it is to feel vulnerable to catching illness from others when you know what could happen, but when you consider the wider implications of life as it has been - the mental health, social and economic impact etc - I don't think the balance is in favour of restrictions any more. With a lot of illness you would rarely know whether you're exposed to something until after the fact anyway. People need to make their own assessments and decisions going forward, just like all vulnerable people would have had to pre covid. We can't live a half-life in fear any more.

The (admittedly few) CEV people I know are very pleased at the restrictions easing so that their families and friends can get back to normal, enjoy a normal ish life and keep the economy going. They feel that covid lifting is morale boosting for them too and that there is now a chance that they as CEV people can eventually get back into normal life as well. They are horrified by suggestions that restrictions should continue further for any length of time.

Others who have had severe mental health problems as a result of covid and lockdown can now see some light at the end of the tunnel. The announcement should help alleviate their symptoms.

Friends with severely disabled children have been almost destroyed by the cessation of carer visits etc. They are feeling more positive now that restrictions may be easing.

Those who have lost their jobs and income may now be able to find employment again. Their taxes should help the NHS recover as it is on its knees. The NHS would I hope then be able to help unwell people and the CEV more effectively. I know I am being simplistic here.

Different views I suppose, and there are people who have been affected in very different ways by the horrors of the last two years. I feel very bad for those who are CEV and who are very worried by what is going on. I hope the situation is safe soon enough so that everyone can be allowed to lead a relatively normal life.

I will still wear masks in many inside spaces eg public transport to protect others. But I would be lying if I didn’t say that I am personally relieved that restrictions are coming to an end as I have found lockdowns unbearable.

Out of interest, and apologies for my ignorance, how have children with CEV been ignored for the last two years? I am in no doubt that they have been, but in what particular respects?

@LindaEllen

I'm so glad about this.

Common sense should tell us that it is (and always has been!) sensible to isolate if we're clearly unwell, however what was killing us were the numbers of asymptomatic cases who had to sit at home for 10 days with nothing wrong with them whatsoever.

We should stay home if we're clearly unwell whether it's covid or not.

I am very happy that the legal need to isolate is fucking off. Finally.

I agree with you

Tg and finally

But it's still selfish to do something that you know will harm others but to do it anyway because it suits your purposes.

You could apply this to many parts of the pandemic - closing businesses, schools and impact on children, impacting livelihoods and mental health for many

@ImALittlePea - thank you for your perspective. I’m sick of posters calling everyone who wants to get back to normal ‘selfish’ and thinking that they don’t care about the vulnerable. I am sorry that your DS is at risk and I hope that he and you are able to navigate your way safely through the relaxation of restrictions. Best wishes.

Out of interest, and apologies for my ignorance, how have children with CEV been ignored for the last two years? I am in no doubt that they have been, but in what particular respects?

They've had to go to school and sit in classrooms of 30 with no one wearing masks. Now they will be sitting with children who may actually have tested positive for Covid but are in school.

What sensible employers will do is say that you must stay home if you are ill, particularly with Covid symptoms, work from home if you are able but actually don't work and take time to recover if you are properly sick.

It will NEVER get any safer than it is now. Everyone who wants to has been jabbed

Except vulnerable children, who won't be fully faced until April/May

But fuck them.

The virus will continue to spread and mutate, thus reinfecting, forever

Let's help it then shall we. Let's increase the rate it's spreading! Great idea 🙄🙄

FGS

If we don't open up now, we will never be able to

Don't be ridiculous!!

We could wait until spring when numbers are lower, the R rate is lower, vulnerable children are vaccinated and the weather makes outdoor activities more appealing &ventilation of rooms much easier.

A couple of months until spring.

'Now' is purely to save BJ's arse!!

^ @LindaEllen

But no one is going to admit to not giving a shit about the vulnerable. They just say things like Yeah the CEV, but... Or Whilst I understand,... which really translates into it's survival of the fittest and fuck those who succumb.

Ok then I’ll admit it, I don’t give a shit. Or I do, but not enough to want to regularly go out of my way for them. Not enough to want to spend yet another week of my life sat inside if I’m asymptomatic. Not enough to want to shove yet another swab up my screaming and hysterical toddler’s nose while missing yet more work to wait for the results to come back. Not enough to give up on future plans when I’ve already delayed my own wedding twice and haven’t had a holiday for 4 years. Not enough to spend another maternity leave sat on the sofa in tears unable to leave because I have a slight cough.

Sickness is life. Life is short. I will be prioritising the happiness of myself and my family over people I don’t even know. And I have zero shame in saying it.

I think it’s scary. I would love to go back to normal but at the same time I can’t imagine it.

So this is just another form of eugenics? Tories already started it with austerity, killing off the most vulnerable in our society. Now it’s the turn of those who have a better shot at life, but still not “perfect” and maybe a drain on the health services.

I feel sick. I will carry on wearing a mask and protecting those around me.

It will NEVER get any safer than it is now

It could be an awful lot safer - cases are still really high and it's rife in schools, it would make much more sense if the work from home rules remained in place until April, say, when cases will likely be lower.

Thanks Bonnes Vacances. I hope that those with cold-like symptoms/possible covid/flu are sensible enough to stay at home to recover. That would be the best thing to do for everyone’s sakes including the ill child of course.

Also, we’re coming back around to spring and summer. What happens when there’s a new variant next autumn and winter?
I don’t even want to think about this.

@RaskolnikovsGarret

Thanks Bonnes Vacances. I hope that those with cold-like symptoms/possible covid/flu are sensible enough to stay at home to recover. That would be the best thing to do for everyone’s sakes including the ill child of course.

In which case those of us with small children would hardly ever leave the house. I don’t think those without toddlers and small children realise how this last 2 years have been for us. It’s all well and good wittering on about ‘protecting the public’ when you’re the one reaping the benefit, but doing it for faceless strangers is as appealing, weirdly enough.

Thank you @Inastatus 7yo went back to school as soon as he was able to, fully supported by his specialist hospital, because their (and our) stance from day 1 has been that why go to the lengths of months in hospital, all the treatments, drugs and surgery, if you're not going to actually live life. His life has been impacted enough by his illness, and we don't want him to grow up fearful of catching bugs that may or may not make him unwell. Of course I dread any of us getting unwell with anything, covid or not, but I refuse to be frightened. All the best 😊

The emergency restrictions etc that were linked to the Act were all to stop healthcare being overwhelmed, as we are often reminded they weren’t for just the vulnerable.

That means when the crisis re healthcare passes we can lift it all.

We’re told not to come into work/school even after a bout of Norovirus, chickenpox, flu, so it doesn’t spread. I seriously cannot believe that we’ll be told not to even stay home 48 hours with a virus that’s been taking hold of the world for the past 2 years.

So covid is less dangerous than a sickness bug or chicken pox now? 🤦‍♀️

Thank god for that

Move on people and stop throwing your dummy out the pram. No pandemic in the history of the world has ever stopped people from truly living or reverting back to normal.

It’s nothing new and we’re not special.

@Cheekypeach

But no one is going to admit to not giving a shit about the vulnerable. They just say things like Yeah the CEV, but... Or Whilst I understand,... which really translates into it's survival of the fittest and fuck those who succumb.

Ok then I’ll admit it, I don’t give a shit. Or I do, but not enough to want to regularly go out of my way for them. Not enough to want to spend yet another week of my life sat inside if I’m asymptomatic. Not enough to want to shove yet another swab up my screaming and hysterical toddler’s nose while missing yet more work to wait for the results to come back. Not enough to give up on future plans when I’ve already delayed my own wedding twice and haven’t had a holiday for 4 years. Not enough to spend another maternity leave sat on the sofa in tears unable to leave because I have a slight cough.

Sickness is life. Life is short. I will be prioritising the happiness of myself and my family over people I don’t even know. And I have zero shame in saying it.

That's cool. I have zero shame in hoping that attitude comes back and bites you or someone you love on the arse and that you one day realise how fucking offensive and inhumane that response was to someone whose DD has suffered immeasurably.

@BonnesVacances 🤷🏼‍♀️ your prerogative. I think there’s a difference between indifference and actually wishing harm upon people. With that attitude isn it surprising people dont feel inclined to help you?

@cheekypeach

But for the grace of god go I.

Maybe one day you will know what its like to have a vunerable child and how it feels to read over and over again.
I dont care about vuneravle children i just want to kill them off so my child and me can have freedom

2 months to ensure they have some protection from vaccines fuck that right.

So yep i dont really care if your child gets ill

What a pleasent world this is

Eugenics?? That’s pretty dramatic! The vast majority of people, even in the vulnerable cohort will survive covid - even more so now we have improved treatments and vaccines.

I get why the government did it, but to ensure compliance, we were all scared witless at the start of the pandemic. I clearly remember feeling nervous leaving my house for a walk and consciously holding my breath if I passed anyone whilst out. After the initial panic and fear, my common sense kicked in and although the daily figures looked scary, we needed to bear in mind that we have nearly 67 million people. 1500 people die every from all sorts of causes. We got to a stage where covid was the only illness that mattered, meanwhile other health services were being put aside with devastating consequences to those with chronic conditions.

This move by the government is exactly the right one. We’re taking the Scandinavian approach at long and trusting people to make their own health choices. Already, a pretty large proportion of the population are no longer testing/isolating anyway so I very much doubt we will notice any difference after the rules are dropped anyway.

Incidentally, love him or loathe him, this move by Boris isnt to deflect from his troubles - it was on the agenda last November.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10198985/Operation-Rampdown-Codename-revealed-Government-papers-dismantle-key-Covid-measures-year.html