Page 4 | End of isolation

AnEpisodeOfEastenders · 2022-02-09T12:26:59+00:00

Boris Johnson has indicated the requirement to isolate after a positive Covid test will be scrapped at the end of this month. All I can say is about time too! Let's get back to life.

Giveaschitt · 09/02/2022 13:43

Who are the 300 odd dying daily then?

The people who would have previously died of flu - 1000's and 1000's die of flu every year, but its been virtually non-existent the last 2 years.

ihaveonecat · 09/02/2022 13:43

@treeflowercat

Unless you happen to be an immunocompromised teacher of course

If you're immunocompromised to the extent that Covid is a major threat to you, then sadly teaching really isn't a suitable career for you.... And that would be the case even if Covid didn't exist!

People just don't get this. I was diagnosed mid thirties Now imagine you trained to be a teacher, all you've ever done is teaching and people say "well now you can't do it any more, bye" and mid pandemic you have to look for a new job It's basically saying people with X/Y/Z health conditions can't be teachers and fuck you if you're a teacher and get cancer

greenteafiend · 09/02/2022 13:43

Unless you happen to be an immunocompromised teacher of course

My entire family was, this week, floored by norovirus; we were all violently ill. An immunocompromised person would have been experiencing a dire emergency, perhaps fatal. Noro has worked it way round our school. In fact, it quite often works its way round schools, plus rota, flu and a bunch of other horrible things. I do not think teaching in regular classrooms is a viable job for someone with no functioning immune system, even if COVID disappeared off the face of the earth.

treeflowercat · 09/02/2022 13:44

@StarCat2020

The issue isn't just deaths, it is the mayhem it will cause in the NHS

How will this cause mayhem?

Krabbybabby · 09/02/2022 13:44

Denmark & Sweden have been mentioned but how many other countries are on board with this. Surely world health as a whole needs to be taken into account for this to succeed?

StarCat2020 · 09/02/2022 13:46

How will this cause mayhem?
Really?

ihaveonecat · 09/02/2022 13:47

@greenteafiend

Unless you happen to be an immunocompromised teacher of course

My entire family was, this week, floored by norovirus; we were all violently ill. An immunocompromised person would have been experiencing a dire emergency, perhaps fatal. Noro has worked it way round our school. In fact, it quite often works its way round schools, plus rota, flu and a bunch of other horrible things. I do not think teaching in regular classrooms is a viable job for someone with no functioning immune system, even if COVID disappeared off the face of the earth.

Right but people will also say they shouldn't be in health care, a carer, public facing, work in a shop or supermarket I mean what should we do? If you're part way through your career with a mortgage, no partner and get told you're CEV, need 4 vaccines and the vaccine isn't protection for you Oh and you can't get life insurance or critical illness cover because you were diagnosed before you took out a mortgage

You're screwed basically, and there's no benefits to help you, and everyone says well you shouldn't do that career that you loved anyway because you made the "mistake" of getting a random health condition

TooManyPlatesInMotion · 09/02/2022 13:47

@Giveaschitt

Who are the 300 odd dying daily then?

The people who would have previously died of flu - 1000's and 1000's die of flu every year, but its been virtually non-existent the last 2 years.

People do die. Immortality is not an option.

toomuchlaundry · 09/02/2022 13:48

I think people are talking about teachers as everyone thinks that the disruption in schools is mainly down to isolation rules and if teachers don't have to isolate it will be fine, but in my experience and I have quite a wide circle of teacher friends (although I am not a teacher) they have all had symptoms and been ill. Much more than just a cold for them.

Would be interesting to know how ill the sorting office staff were, and were most of them off because they tested positive on LFT rather than because they were ill.

Aposterhasnoname · 09/02/2022 13:50

People just don't get this. I was diagnosed mid thirties
Now imagine you trained to be a teacher, all you've ever done is teaching and people say "well now you can't do it any more, bye" and mid pandemic you have to look for a new job
It's basically saying people with X/Y/Z health conditions can't be teachers and fuck you if you're a teacher and get cancer

My friends daughter trained in ballet from the age of three. They sacrificed everything to pay for her to attend the royal ballet school. It’s literally all she’s done her entire life. She worked her ass off till she was 23, then she broke her leg.

Guess what! People with damaged legs can’t be ballet dancers, and fuck you if you’re a dancer and break your leg.

greenteafiend · 09/02/2022 13:52

People just don't get this. I was diagnosed mid thirties
Now imagine you trained to be a teacher, all you've ever done is teaching and people say "well now you can't do it any more, bye" and mid pandemic you have to look for a new job
It's basically saying people with X/Y/Z health conditions can't be teachers and fuck you if you're a teacher and get cancer

If I was a regular classroom teacher and had to go on chemo, I'd look into safer alternatives until my immune system was functioning again, like tutoring one on one or small groups. That's not ideal in income terms for however long I'd need to do that, but as careers go, teaching is generally highly income secure---much more so than most professions I know of. Expecting it to be 100% copper bottomed AND virus free is maybe expecting a bit much?

I do a 100% WFH job, self employed. Lucky me, in some ways. No particular risk of COVID and I could do it even if immunocompromised.

But I have zero job security EVER. If I do not work, I do not get paid, my pension does not happen. During the pandemic, I had to stop work for long periods several times due to lack of childcare and schooling. I ended up digging deep into savings, which veered close to zero at one point. I had to stop paying into my pension for quite a while. My income is still far lower than it was pre-pandemic due to the clients I lost and the pandemic's effect on many industries.

My friends who are teachers did have to navigate COVID risks, but on the other hand they got paid their salaries and pensions in full throughout.

My point is not "teachers are lucky" but rather that all professions have upsides and downsides.

ihaveonecat · 09/02/2022 13:52

@Aposterhasnoname

People just don't get this. I was diagnosed mid thirties *Now imagine you trained to be a teacher, all you've ever done is teaching and people say "well now you can't do it any more, bye" and mid pandemic you have to look for a new job It's basically saying people with X/Y/Z health conditions can't be teachers and fuck you if you're a teacher and get cancer*

My friends daughter trained in ballet from the age of three. They sacrificed everything to pay for her to attend the royal ballet school. It’s literally all she’s done her entire life. She worked her ass off till she was 23, then she broke her leg.

Guess what! People with damaged legs can’t be ballet dancers, and fuck you if you’re a dancer and break your leg.

Slight difference there in that they could pick ANY other career If we are excluding CEV from schools or public facing then that's police, ambulance, NHS, pharmacy, any shops.. anything that involves meeting people And you don't have a broken leg for life, nor are you likely to die and it's not something you can catch

What are people on chemo meant to do? Jack their job in when they only have a single income and then try and find a Covid "safe" job and get someone to employ them mid way through chemo?

ihaveonecat · 09/02/2022 13:53

@greenteafiend my condition isn't curable, I am immunocompromised for life and my vulnerability is equal to someone on chemo as my bloods react the same. So not an option so do something for a time being

megletthesecond · 09/02/2022 13:54

This should wait until April / May. Typical impatient, childish Johnson. That lazy cunt has no discipline or backbone.

toomuchlaundry · 09/02/2022 13:55

We don’t want to be telling teachers to be giving up their career, there is already a shortage. And I can imagine if anyone is thinking about training to be a teacher reads MN they will be running for the hills due to the amount of vitriol that is aimed at them

SexyLittleNosferatu · 09/02/2022 13:55

I'd love to hear what the long term plan would be instead from the 'you selfish bastards' brigade

Me too. I knew this thread would bring them out and it didn't disappoint!

Nobody is forcing them to do anything they don't want. If they want to stay inside forever then they can crack on. The sooner people get over the fact that covid is here to stay, the better.

CheeseKing · 09/02/2022 13:55

For goodness sake. Must every thread turn into a woe is me teacher crying fest on this site.

Never heard any other profession moan as much.

Quartz2208 · 09/02/2022 13:56

300 havent died in a day since Alpha last year - daily reporting is all over the place but it is fairly consistent and looks to be dropping below the 200. The front page data doesnt help with this.

I am not surprised - 2 years ago I said I thought this would last 2 years and it is probably happening a month earlier than I thought - end of March with the move into Spring and the 2 years from the initial Act being made sense to me but I can see politically why a month earlier was decided.

Hopefully though there is a shift change from people going into work when ill to actually staying at home - the hybrid working should help for that as well. There is no need to be a martyr and going out and into work when ill. Rest up - take a couple of says at least if not

girlmom21 · 09/02/2022 13:56

@megletthesecond

This should wait until April / May. Typical impatient, childish Johnson. That lazy cunt has no discipline or backbone.

Why? We've had long enough to get vaccinated. We've had long enough to develop antibodies. Clinically vulnerable people won't stop being vulnerable.

Januarypip · 09/02/2022 13:58

This IS good news. Obviously when people are ill they will be able to get a sick note and should stay home if poorly. There will always be some who don't.

We've all recently had covid. Both my DC missed 8 days of school when had it not been covid theyd have missed 1 or 2. Isolation is now doing more harm.

And I think that even though I'm still unwell, potentially with long covid. It's luck of the draw. It's life we cannot go on isolation forever

homeappliances · 09/02/2022 13:59

Hmmmm, I wonder why Boris has announced this earlier than expected? What are they trying to distract us from?

ItsSnowJokes · 09/02/2022 14:00

I also wonder if a lot of countries will now treat us as lepers and not want us to come in with no restrictions or testing in England?

treeflowercat · 09/02/2022 14:01

[quote ihaveonecat]@greenteafiend my condition isn't curable, I am immunocompromised for life and my vulnerability is equal to someone on chemo as my bloods react the same. So not an option so do something for a time being[/quote]
I get that this is totally shit for you, and I really sympathise, but with such low immunity wouldn't you be at high risk from flu etc. i remember when my DM had chemo and having to isolate in the house from her because I had a cold?

Isolation or no isolation, schools are surely uncomfortably risky for you at the moment.... What would you want to see happen?

Arguably isolation, by prolonging waves, is increasing then time of high risk for you... an unmitigated very sharp rise in cases could be through the school in a fortnight, and feasibly you could be "sick" while that happened. Hardly ideal, but I'm not sure what else is realistic.

SexyLittleNosferatu · 09/02/2022 14:02

People do die. Immortality is not an option

The reporting and the terminology around covid seems to have convinced people that immortality is an option! Stay safe, protecting others, keeping each other safe, stay safe blah blah blah. All very meaningless language but language that has been picked up by Joe Public and is repeated endlessly. It seems that people have indeed been convinced that there is an option to "stay safe".

Watercoloursky · 09/02/2022 14:02

@Quartz2208

300 havent died in a day since Alpha last year - daily reporting is all over the place but it is fairly consistent and looks to be dropping below the 200. The front page data doesnt help with this.

I am not surprised - 2 years ago I said I thought this would last 2 years and it is probably happening a month earlier than I thought - end of March with the move into Spring and the 2 years from the initial Act being made sense to me but I can see politically why a month earlier was decided.

Hopefully though there is a shift change from people going into work when ill to actually staying at home - the hybrid working should help for that as well. There is no need to be a martyr and going out and into work when ill. Rest up - take a couple of says at least if not

This is true - you can see the numbers for date of death rather than date of recording here: coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths