Deaths from Covid alone in 2020 = 9,400

[Whydidimarryhim]

There has been a freedom of information release from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) - Jan 7th 22
There data show that total deaths from Covid in 2020 - this is the number of deaths from adults who had NO underlying issues ie heart disease/diabetes etc - the total No is 9400.
From Jan 2021 to Sept 2021 the total deaths from Covid alone - was 0-64 age range = 2225 and 65+ 5746. All this is for England and Wales
This information is on utube from Dr John Campbell - He has been covering Covid since late 2019.
What is interesting is that this info hasn’t been on the news.

[quote Roselilly36]Link

www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/mark-dolan-every-single-covid-measure-you-can-think-of-has-got-to-go-lock-stock-and-barrel/210746[/quote]
Was that a reply to me @Roselilly36?

It doesn't really answer the question - what do you interpret from the average age of death being "over 80", as you said in your post?

Unfortunately we now live in a society were we believe our own opinion on something has equal merit to that of an expert. Government has encouraged this belief.

[quote CUniverse]@ollyollyoxenfree I do not agree with whatever claims you make. Neither the other dictators in here. None of you are in the position to explain anything to me. Why can’t you grasp that?

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@CUniverse

Many posters have given you concrete examples (not claims) of the problems with Campbell's videos.

These include, quoting retracted studies without saying they are retracted, interpreting statistics incorrectly and making other epidemiological errors. Other issues include his clickbait titles that aren't actually relevant to the content of the videos and the amount of money he makes from them.

Instead of attempting to engage in dicussion you just say the conversation is over, or start a new thread.

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

And a lot of them will indeed be seriously disabled and/or very elderly *@OperationRinka* I think this is where the issue is. A lot of the vulnerable are NOT seriously disabled or very elderly. The underlying conditions that are on the list mean the vast majority of people are generally well. High blood pressure is very common. Not everyone who has that or type 1 diabetes is fat, red faced and sedentary. But by portraying them as you have, it minimises the issue.

I think you've misunderstood me. I'm responding to a poster who correctly said that a lot of vulnerable people are out doing work and hence cannot be protected while the rest of society moves on. I've added to that post saying that in addition a lot of vulnerable people who don't WOH live with family who do, and in addition there are a very large number of vulnerable people who need care. That last group is large and pointing out that it's large doesn't mean that vulnerable working people don't exist.

All three classes of people are part of an interconnected web, and none of them can effectively be "protected" if the middle of a raging pandemic.

Fair play if I'd missed that you were talking about in addition @OperationRinka. I'm so used to people thinking all the vulnerable are frail and 'othering' them.

And of course there's a fourth group of clinically vulnerable people who WOH but also need personal care so are doubly exposed.

I would bet good money that our future responses to similar threats will be just as lax.

Checking what is meant here, you think what we did was lax?

@Roselilly36

I heard on GB news, 17,500 deaths over the past two years according to official office for National statistics data were caused from or with covid, where there were no other comorbidities. The average age of death being over 80.

17,500 is of course very sad, to think of the families missing their loved ones, but this is sadly quite normal figures for two bad flu years and the economy and people’s lives haven’t been subjected to restrictions like this before, it does make you think. This has really shocked me.

You're comparing the number of Covid deaths amongst people with no co-morbidities to the total number of flu deaths. Do you fancy having a guess at how many of those flu deaths will be amongst people with comorbidities? Flu preys upon the oldest and sickest just like Covid does.

In terms of the op it’s hard to gauge without context but a more relevant figure is excess deaths.

@ollyollyoxenfree how much money does Campbell make from his videos?

[quote hamstersarse]@ollyollyoxenfree how much money does Campbell make from his videos?[/quote]
I sense you're asking just so you can reply "BUT PFIZER MAKE BILLIONS" @hamstersarse

I have no idea. Youtube have allowed this kind of content to be monetized. JC produces almost daily videos, and they get hundreds of thousands of views. This website estimates, based on comparable influencers, that he made 228,000 dollars from it in the last three months.

gb.youtubers.me/dr-john-campbell/youtube-estimated-earnings

It's interesting this is the point you grasp onto though, instead of the fact that the content in John Campbell's videos is full of errors and bias.

@Iggly no, I am not personally, if you read the post, GB News state where the data has come from. Anyone is free to check the source themselves.

@MarshaBradyo

I would bet good money that our future responses to similar threats will be just as lax.

Checking what is meant here, you think what we did was lax?

Well globally, the initial response was slow. The province where Wuhan is was locked down a couple of days before Chinese New Year. Travel restrictions from internationally were practically non-exsistent. Earlier than that the fact that the US slashed funding to their early warning infectious disease programme and this wasn’t significant enough for other countries to take notice and action to fill the gap. I imagine that this is something that may change given the costs incurred from not having effective systems in place initially.

England specific, when restrictions have been put in place it’s been slow despite many warnings/models warning of the inevitability. Whilst I’ve largely agreed with our exit strategies from various periods of restrictions I believe the restrictions necessary have been prolonged because of failure to take action earlier.

Hindsight can be argued in some cases but I don’t buy that in this specific instance. The very fact this is a novel virus means there is no blueprint or experience to draw on and should have been treated with far more caution and there were far to many experts (whether you credit them or not) saying that.

Maybe none of these aspects would have made any difference whatsoever but all we can really say with any degree of accuracy is that we don’t know because they didn’t happen. As things stand, particularly in the UK we seem to have managed to have the worst approach/outcome ratio with the consequences of harsh prolonged restrictions and poor health and fatality outcomes. I put that very much down to lack of decisiveness.

I suspect that if under 10s had been dying at the same rate as over 80s the world response would have been very different

Of course. As a society it's in our interest to protect the young who've got their whole lives ahead of them!

Checking what is meant here, you think what we did was lax?

I think our government responce was very lax. Boris Johnson didn't take covid seriously at all. He should have been on this like a ton of bricks back in January 2020. Of course long term this would only have made a difference if other world leaders were equally as quick, and most were as disinterested as Johnson. And before posters start going on about hindsight, we didn't need hindsight, we had foresight, we saw what happened in China, we saw hospitals built in 10 days and effective containment. And yes, I was saying this at the time, while Johnson was out shaking hands.

in the UK we seem to have managed to have the worst approach/outcome ratio with the consequences of harsh prolonged restrictions and poor health and fatality outcomes.

We're the UK's restrictions any longer than those of other countries? I think the UK had relatively short restrictions.

And part of the high death rate is due to the chronically underfunded NHS

Were (not we're)

@Whydidimarryhim

Truly fulfilling - No - why ask that question - I didn’t indicate that - I’m only reporting the data. 🍮

Why? Why this data, and not any of the other reams of Covid data that is published every day?

Do you have a random generator that chooses for you and you just post something every day? Or is there actual thought behind it?

Do you have a random generator bitchute/oddesse subscription that chooses for you and you just post something every day?

@Kendodd

Checking what is meant here, you think what we did was lax?

I think our government responce was very lax. Boris Johnson didn't take covid seriously at all. He should have been on this like a ton of bricks back in January 2020. Of course long term this would only have made a difference if other world leaders were equally as quick, and most were as disinterested as Johnson. And before posters start going on about hindsight, we didn't need hindsight, we had foresight, we saw what happened in China, we saw hospitals built in 10 days and effective containment. And yes, I was saying this at the time, while Johnson was out shaking hands.

Do you think eradicating it was possible?

I suppose even China couldn’t stop it escaping their country so it would have spread. Unless they stopped flights with very first cases, as after that it’s out.

Which means all countries doing the same as China. So as severe lockdowns and closed borders everywhere?

Are all countries as capable of this

Are there are scientists with this view id be interested to read re world wide eradication

Earlier than that the fact that the US slashed funding to their early warning infectious disease programme

I believe Johnson may have done similar when he first came to power.
I heard some bloke on Radio 4 saying he worked in the government pandemic preparations department and his job was to ' continuously scan the horizon' for new viruses. He said Johnson got rid of the department in December 2019 and he lost his job. No links unfortunately as it was just something I heard on the radio.

@ollyollyoxenfree

You mentioned one of the reasons you shouldn’t listen to him is because he’s making loads of cash. It was your point not mine, so was interested to see if you actually had numbers. You have some estimates, that’s fine.

But that as a point as to why you shouldn’t listen to him is neutral

@Blubells

in the UK we seem to have managed to have the worst approach/outcome ratio with the consequences of harsh prolonged restrictions and poor health and fatality outcomes.

We're the UK's restrictions any longer than those of other countries? I think the UK had relatively short restrictions.

And part of the high death rate is due to the chronically underfunded NHS

If you look at excess deaths it’s comparable to Europe, which is understandable