Anyone else done now?

[VeryMuchSo13]

Know I'll get slated but I'm so past caring.

Anyone else just completely done with it now? Ran out of LFTs ages ago and I'll never do another again, wouldn't even go for a PCR now with symptoms tbh. I'd stay in until I felt better like I do with everything else and then crack on.

The only reason I wear masks in shops is because of people moaning if you don't. As soon as it's no longer required that'll be in the bin.

I actually took it really seriously the past two years and did everything we were supposed to. Triple jabbed etc etc... But I can't be arsed giving it anymore headspace now. I'm sick of hearing about it, sick of seeing it on the news, sick of people talking about it.

From today on I highly doubt I'll ever voluntarily think about Covid again, in a way that restricts anything I do anyway.

If you believe there will be no more “orders” to stay at home or wear masks, what exactly are you done with?

The aggressive yellow posters. The mental toll. The finger wagging. The 'selfish' accusations.

Would you refuse to comply if orders were re-inroduced?

They won't be, but if you insist on hypotheticals, then I would only 'comply' to the bare minimum.

I agree with a pp. not a nice thread and full of non-compliance.

"Non-compliance" with what exactly?

My hope was that the “done” people would still have a shred of consideration and whilst getting on with their lives would at least do it in a mask. It seems not.

But when pubs, clubs, schools, unis and so on are open with no restrictions, what difference will it make if someone wears a mask in Tesco's? They're almost like a security blanket for some people. As well as a badge of virtue. The latter is very important.

@Flaxmeadow

But I can't be arsed giving it anymore headspace now. I'm sick of hearing about it, sick of seeing it on the news, sick of people talking about it.

From today on I highly doubt I'll ever voluntarily think about Covid again, in a way that restricts anything I do anyway.

Yet here you are, on the Covid topics board, along with all the other 'done with it's

Oh wow. Another one. Yes you're very clever well done. Can we move on now?

@greenteafiend

(and who are we - with our ageist and ableist approach - to criticise China's policy?)

I'll criticize China's approach as much as I like, actually, given their human rights record.

I actually live in Japan, and cases are going bananas right now.

Few deaths and hospitalizations, true, but it's not clear what's going on; genetics, gut bacteria and prior immunity from previous coronavirus infections have been posited, but there appears to be some unseen "mystery" factor protecting people in Japan from serious disease. It also helps that few people here are overweight. That's not something that the UK can import as a "policy."

Just looked at cases, interesting to see and agree re Japan’s other factors. I wonder how much lower obesity is a factor in all that. We are fairly high in comparison

I'm seeing less mask wearing this time round than previously and that was true even before the announcement they were going. People are just less willing now. Even for those who are willing to assume in the absence of evidence that masks are effective against Omicron specifically, as opposed to older strains, good public health also has to take into account what the public are actually going to do. As an intervention, their utility now is unclear.

Japan has been an outlier with regards to deaths from the start. I hope we eventually get to the bottom of why.

@KurtWilde

Selfish people never like to be called selfish, will never understand others points of view. These 'I'm done' posters are the regular same posters that have been saying 'I'm done' since March 2020 - unfortunately they have shouted the loudest throughout.

The fact is people have no clue what us 'selfish' people have sacrificed over the last couple of years in order to protect perfect strangers. You don't know if we're HCP that you were once upon a time clapping for and we're at the end of our tethers, or retail workers who carried on filling your delivery orders while you peeped from behind your lace curtains too afraid to go out, or small business owners who watched their savings disappear as their business went bust thanks to lockdown and had to sign on to support their families, or people who have been suicidal throughout due to weeks and weeks of isolation and cut off from our support network.

You don't know, but you call us selfish anyway, because you think we still owe strangers what little bit of ourselves we've still got.

Well no. We don't.

If you wish to carry on with your masks and what not, then do so. But you're going to look like a bloody idiot when you realise you're one in a hundred and then one in a thousand and then one in ten thousand .. and so on, as the rest of us grasp back little bits of our lives until we at least resemble something whole again.

👏👏👏

Few deaths and hospitalizations, true, but it's not clear what's going on; genetics, gut bacteria and prior immunity from previous coronavirus infections have been posited, but there appears to be some unseen "mystery" factor protecting people in Japan from serious disease.

But the whole world is protected by these "mystery" factors. Hospitalisations and deaths from Omicron are down in every country - in South Africa, UK, Europe etc

@toomuchlaundry

Would posters be over it if Omicron had turned out to be a lot more serious than thank god it seems to be?

Literally what's the point of this question?

That's like saying "would poster's be over it if it was ebola instead of Covid?!"

Erm... It's not so?

@greenteafiend I genuinely believe that the unknown protective factor is the lack of obesity. Or at least a large part of it.

Daughter developed agoraphobia. Brother killed himself due to isolation and declining mental health. Yep I'm 100% done.

Those who try to make me feel bad by saying they are vulnerable etc. well it's caused vulnerability in other people too !

It’s the “fuck this I’ll do what I want even if there are rules” that I have an issue with but I should learn not to argue on the internet

I'm one of these. 100%.

Sorry but I don't care what happens now I will never be told I cannot see my friends and family again. Ever.

I'll never be told that I need to subject my young son to sticking things up his nose and throat every time he has a slight cold which is all the bloody time due to being a kid.

I'll never happily sit back whilst he misses even more of his life or education.

I've done my bit for the last 2 YEARS. I've had my vaccines. That's me done. Other people can do what they like but I'm not giving anything else of mine or my son's life.

I honestly couldn't give a single hoot if you think I'm selfish for it.

@camperqueen54

Daughter developed agoraphobia. Brother killed himself due to isolation and declining mental health. Yep I'm 100% done.

Those who try to make me feel bad by saying they are vulnerable etc. well it's caused vulnerability in other people too !

Yeah but we're learning from the moral guardians who've dropped in that it's really selfish to put your own family's welfare above other people. Except obviously when the other people are harmed by restrictions rather than covid itself, in which case it's fine and you're better than those Selfish People.

I find it hilarious how smug people get because they do something that they don't consider any great sacrifice

But everyone on this thread seems to think wearing masks is a huge imposition. So which is it?

No one is saying you can never see your family again FGS. But there are restrictions which can Make a big difference without huge impacts. Masks. Reduced capacity in venues. LFTs.
It’s not all or nothing.

"Reduced capacity in venues" clearly isn't a measure without impact. It puts people out of business.

Reduced capacity in venues.

The theatre was full the other day when we went, if it’s half full who pays the difference?

It’s not cost free

@Mrbob

I find it hilarious how smug people get because they do something that they don't consider any great sacrifice

But everyone on this thread seems to think wearing masks is a huge imposition. So which is it?

No one is saying you can never see your family again FGS. But there are restrictions which can Make a big difference without huge impacts. Masks. Reduced capacity in venues. LFTs.
It’s not all or nothing.

They aren't making a difference though in other countries that are imposing them. Again, see France.

@Mrbob

I find it hilarious how smug people get because they do something that they don't consider any great sacrifice

But everyone on this thread seems to think wearing masks is a huge imposition. So which is it?

No one is saying you can never see your family again FGS. But there are restrictions which can Make a big difference without huge impacts. Masks. Reduced capacity in venues. LFTs.
It’s not all or nothing.

The evidence for that being the case with Omicron simply isn't there, though. This is the issue. For a long time people have been looking for the sweet spot where there are restrictions that make a difference but aren't too big a deal (obviously from the perspective of not being the people whose livelihoods are lost because of said restricted capacity, but let's set that aside a mo). Omicron is just so transmissible that, as we have evidence from various other European countries, these measures don't stop cases rocketing.

Viking true it’s old thinking in reaction to previous variants.

The same approach has not worked with omicron.

And it is, of course, usually the case that people describing the impact of particular restrictions as small aren't the ones who'll be bearing the brunt of them.

Just hearing Drakeford on radio. He and NS have got away with imposing costly restrictions when the post peak shows big falls anyway rather than doing the ‘difficult things’

He’s so bad

But the whole world is protected by these "mystery" factors. Hospitalisations and deaths from Omicron are down in every country - in South Africa, UK, Europe etc

No, I'm talking about the fact that the rate of severe complications has been mysteriously low in Japan throughout the pandemic and with all the varients, not just with omicron (and in fact, it seems like we are still mostly Delta for the moment---omicron was slow to reach these shores).

I think we have actually had a lot of cases (not much testing here, so hard to be sure). But relatively few people seem to get severely ill with covid, regardless of the varient.

If masks masks make such a difference, why aren’t Scotland’s rates lower than England’s?

My first thought was low obesity, but then I don't know if Japan is the same as elsewhere wrt particularly obese people being higher risk. There can't be many people with a BMI of over 35ish in Japan?

I was totally done by September 2020. Have never followed any of the rules since then and rarely tested me or my kids only when forced by the school. I’ve never once drove to a PCR test centre or anything like that.

But everyone on this thread seems to think wearing masks is a huge imposition. So which is it?

No, not everyone is saying that. Many are saying that masks are no big deal. If that's the case, obviously they can wear them as long as they wish. But now that they are no longer required, most will choose not to do so.

But there are restrictions which can Make a big difference without huge impacts. Masks. Reduced capacity in venues. LFTs.
It’s not all or nothing.

Are people still beating the 'small restrictions make a big difference' line? The evidence is that that is simply not true for Omicron.

And I can't believe people are still saying that reduced capacity in venues is no big deal. It clearly is to the thousands of people whose businesses depend on full capacity at least some of the time.

Besides, the pandemic is easing. Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed. Why the need for any restrictions at all?