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CEV people, how are you feeling about today's announcement?

277 replies

SmashingBIouse · 19/01/2022 13:12

No masks/self isolation to end in the near future etc

I fully understand that restrictions can't go on forever but I admit I'm a bit nervous. I'm considering pausing my immunosuppressant drugs for a while, until case numbers decrease (they're still over 2k per 100k here). There's a teacher in my household whose school currently has six teachers and countless students off with covid but no masks from tomorrow! Plus DH will have to go back to the office on crowded public transport.

I'll phone my consultant tomorrow, see what she says. I was advised to pause when Omicron cases were going through the roof here. I'm worried about what the lack of meds is doing to my body though (I have an autoimmune condition).

How's everyone else feeling?

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Iggly · 19/01/2022 13:58

I’m angry and I’m not CEV.

The main reason is because I don’t see the science behind it. I’m all for a return to “normal” but I hate the fact that this government does get things wrong when people keep saying it’s too soon.

They could have waited until the end of the month before deciding but no, Boris Johnson is trying to appease his party.

It’s a bit like Brexit - trying to solve a party political issue but risking bigger things.

SmashingBIouse · 19/01/2022 14:00

@picklemewalnuts

I think a lot of people are confused about the meaning of CEV.

There's a difference between the levels of vulnerability that people don't necessarily understand.

However, if you are CEV, presumably you are equally vulnerable to other endemic illnesses like chickenpox, flu etc. Is there reason to think that this will be worse, do we know?

If I get flu symptoms (or any other infections) I have to contact the hospital immediately.

Covid seems to be more dangerous to some CEV people than other infections, particularly those who are immunosuppressed (according to my consultant). Certainly the only people I know who have died or become very ill with it were/are immunosuppressed.

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petal68 · 19/01/2022 14:00

I am nervous about going back to work in a open plan office with other people who basically don't give a toss that I am CEV and in fact give me the impression they think I am making it up!!
The owners were desperate for us to return before Boris changed the advice and weren't prepared to allow me to continue working from home. They were very dismissive of my concerns.

So I am setting up as self employed in the hope I can leave asap. They have shown me their true nature and I don't want to work their anymore.

SmashingBIouse · 19/01/2022 14:02

Also there's a lot more covid around at the moment (where I am anyway) than things like flu or chickenpox.

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BlowDryRat · 19/01/2022 14:03

I'm pleased but agree that the timing is to save the PM's weaselly behind.

TheNoonBell · 19/01/2022 14:03

Woooooohoooo!!!

SalsaLove · 19/01/2022 14:04

@ThievesTemple

He’s a disgrace, not even through winter, hospitals still struggling but to save his own ass, he’ll throw the health of the country under the bus.
This is exactly what he’s doing. It’s the modern equivalent of going to war to stay in power.
SmashingBIouse · 19/01/2022 14:05

I know I should probably be nervous - that would be the more rational response! - but I can't help being pleased for everyone else getting back to normality

I know what you mean!

I'm glad things are returning to normal for most people. Even if I can't do the stuff I used to do (I wasn't CEV pre-pandemic, I started my meds during it) I'm still so happy others can. I don't want to spoil anyone's fun at all! Also everything being more normal will do wonders for my MH, even if I can't participate in a lot of it. Just knowing things are better will feel better, if that makes sense.

I'm just trying to figure out how best to work around everything!

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picklemewalnuts · 19/01/2022 14:06

Thank you to those explaining their vulnerabilities to this specific situation. DH is somewhat dismissive of people's vulnerability. It helps to be able to give him examples/explanations as to why it matters.

SmashingBIouse · 19/01/2022 14:07

Thing is if you're immunosuppressed you don't get a good response from vaccines, so although I'm soon to be quadruple vaccinated I'm not sure how protected I actually am. Not enough to feel confident going to a gig, say (unfortunately Sad).

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Innocenta · 19/01/2022 14:14

@SmashingBIouse becoming CEV during the pandemic must have been tough, I'm really sorry you had to experience such a difficult change at a time of lessened support and more risk.

Abraxan · 19/01/2022 14:17

@Plumbear2

Is self isolation stoping for vovid cases? Have I missed something.
Not yet but soon, he said. The current date is mid-end March but he said he hopes to get a vote through to bring the date forward to stop self isolation before this.

No one wants ongoing restrictions and life out in hold, but I think it's a rash move, being done a bit too early in the winter, to remove all additional restrictions and talk about stopping isolation altogether - but it isn't being done for the science or for the benefit of the people.

This is BJ trying to win people over to save his own neck.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 19/01/2022 14:18

@SmashingBIouse

Also there's a lot more covid around at the moment (where I am anyway) than things like flu or chickenpox.
Well, quite. The UK has effective herd immunity in respect of chickenpox because we allow small children to catch it, and a successful annual flu jab programme.

We have neither for covid-19 yet.

I'm on Adalimumab, @SmashingBIouse. I don't think it'll be respiratory covid that gets me, as my meds ought in theory to help suppress a ctyokine storm. I think it'll be vascular, if it happens, as I've underlying auto-immune issues that include vascular stuff.

I've a minor op and biopsies for skin cancer on the 29th and I've been told to 'shield' till then from today.

Rock and roll lifestyle, me.

RidingMyBike · 19/01/2022 14:19

I'm worried - DH is CEV. We've been careful and none of us have caught Covid so far. We have a primary aged child so there is a limit to what we can do to protect ourselves. So DD has been to school but otherwise we've very much limited what we've been doing - I've been partially WFH.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 19/01/2022 14:19

@TheNoonBell

Woooooohoooo!!!
Did you actually see the title of the thread? Are you saying you are cev and feeling like that?
Abraxan · 19/01/2022 14:26

However, if you are CEV, presumably you are equally vulnerable to other endemic illnesses like chickenpox, flu etc. Is there reason to think that this will be worse, do we know?

Chicken pox - I've had as a young teen, before I was vulnerable due to being immunosuppressed. It's much more unusual to have it a second time.

Flu - only knowingly had once, though may have had it asymptomatically. Was poorly but not bad.

Cold - have several. Only once has it been really bad - led to pneumonia and being pretty poorly with hospitalisation, several weeks off work, lengthy recovery after that.

Covid - led to a complication that put me at a high immediate risk of heart attack or stroke, rushed to hospital where I was admitted for a short while, lifelong condition now with two different tablets taken daily, for life, to ensure it's under control. This new condition also would make me more vulnerable, on top of the previous stuff. Was off work for several weeks. Have long covid and 15 months later I still struggle with breathlessness, chest pains, fatigue, etc and my iron levels are now low needing iron medication to try and improve it a little,

I'm not CEV. I am borderline CEV/CV, been shifted between the two in and off. I am eligible for a 4th vaccine due to health condition and medication, due next month. Work in close contact with nearly 300 children and staff each week, no mask etc anyway - it's almost certainly where I caught covid. Currently school is really struggling. We now have over 20% children off with it, even more where household members have it but so far they're negative. I'm hoping to avoid it this time round, fingers crossed.

hellobabyyy · 19/01/2022 14:27

I’m CEV and it is a worry so will continue to wear masks in busy places & hand sanitising (although I did this pre covid and everyone used to laugh at me for doing it so much!). I am young though and can’t continue to live my life in fear so won’t be hiding, just taking precautions.

My Grandma is CEV also and it’s her I am terrified for as she is very elderly and very poorly.

purpleme12 · 19/01/2022 14:29

Surely we should still be isolating if we've got it?
The isolation time has only just been reduced

Blossom64265 · 19/01/2022 14:29

I’m in a different country, but my CEV spouse was part of one of the studies that proved that certain people don’t respond to the vaccines. He has been quadruple vaccinated at this point and has no immunity. We had to live fairly cautiously before Covid, but still managed to get out there and enjoy life, go to restaurants, and take holidays. He has ended up hospitalized for tiny things before and that is always scary. If restrictions drop before they find a way to protect him from Covid, I honestly don’t know how he will even do things like attend medical appointments. He isn’t some infirm person lying in a bed all day. He is an otherwise healthy, middle aged father with a good job that thankfully he can do from home. He just happens to have a compromised immune system. It’s people like this that are being left behind. Active, working people who want to be a part of society, but are being told they don’t matter.

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 19/01/2022 14:32

DP and I are both CEV — he was in the original group of shielders, I'm in the group that was added to the shielding list later on. I'm quite concerned about the lifting of restrictions, because despite of my medical conditions, I'm young, reasonably healthy, expected to live for many more decades, and a recent graduate looking for a job. I want to get on with my life, which involves participating in the world. If nobody takes any reasonable precautions against spreading Covid (e.g. masks, distancing, ventilation, testing, isolating when infectious), I can't easily do that because it's not just me I'm putting at at risk, it's also my (even more vulnerable) partner.

MaybeHeIsMyCat · 19/01/2022 14:33

Nervous
Immunocompromised (lifelong) and due 4th vaccine end of the month
My work have been supportive and covid has been rife there so I'm planning to ask to stay home as long as possible
Wearing FFP2 masks, avoiding shops and supermarkets

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 19/01/2022 14:33

To me, it very much smacks of this

CEV people, how are you feeling about today's announcement?
MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 19/01/2022 14:34

CEV people, how are you feeling about today's announcement?
NoRaceInThisHorse · 19/01/2022 14:40

@Jimmychoo69

Angry on behalf of my CEV mum! To remove all restrictions in the middle of winter, when cases are still high, utter madness, just to save his arse.
Agree. Why not do it slowly at least?
ClumpingBambooIsALie · 19/01/2022 14:43

@ClumpingBambooIsALie

DP and I are both CEV — he was in the original group of shielders, I'm in the group that was added to the shielding list later on. I'm quite concerned about the lifting of restrictions, because despite of my medical conditions, I'm young, reasonably healthy, expected to live for many more decades, and a recent graduate looking for a job. I want to get on with my life, which involves participating in the world. If nobody takes any reasonable precautions against spreading Covid (e.g. masks, distancing, ventilation, testing, isolating when infectious), I can't easily do that because it's not just me I'm putting at at risk, it's also my (even more vulnerable) partner.
I guess you could say that it's selfish of me to prefer that everybody modify their behaviour a little, rather than a few CEV people having to lead extremely restricted lives. But I think there's precedent in our society for that kind of thing, like everyone paying a little into a system so that when one person has e.g. a catastrophic illness, it doesn't ruin them.
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