Self Isolation going to be scrapped

[Overthebow]

www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-self-isolation-law-set-be-scrapped-telegraph-2022-01-16/

So that’s it then, the pandemic really is going to end in the UK in a couple of months time. I’ve never been so happy to read a news article!

"Any ills going on in the country (labour shortages, runaway inflation, hideous NHS waiting lists) are all the fault of Covid and foreigners/illegal immigrants taking home 3k a month in benefits. Everyone knows that."

You missed out the EU or Corbyn!

@ClaudineClare

That is a very good point. The Act gained Royal Assent 25/3/2020 so assume the clock started ticking from there. Does the sunset clause apply to the whole Act though, or just parts of it?

Sorry, that was in response to Wtfdoipick

@TheKeatingFive

Of course people being ill in large numbers is a concern at a national level

That depends on how many, how ill and how long out of action.

Being past the peak, with isolation periods shortening, it's becoming less and less of an issue.

At my small workplace, we have 2 people off ill today with covid. Ill, not self-isolating. Covid is rampant here. You can ignore it all you like if you wfh and don't really see many people. For people who are working with the public, it is still an issue.

I’m curious, those saying no it shouldn’t end and we should all wear masks and distance and work from home and not socialise or have fun with friends (except via Zoom🙄) etc… how long for exactly do you want this?? Forever? Literally you would like this to be as good as it gets ever? Because if two years and the current situation isn’t enough for you when will be? I’f the answer is ‘when Covid is gone’ then that will be forever won’t it in truth?

The legal certainty of it ending is different to the will they won’t they we’ve had throughout

I feel a kind of relief, two years then that’s it from the legal standpoint

@SeenYourArse why ask such a goady question?
I don't think self-isolation should end. But no I don't think we should all stay at home and never see anyone except via zoom.
Why make it all or nothing?

At my small workplace, we have 2 people off ill today with covid. Ill, not self-isolating.

And I'm sure that's happened before with other illnesses. If not to your company, to others of similar size.

Absence through illness is just one of those things businesses deal with. As we get past the peak, covid becomes less of an issue every day.

"Some of you will die, but that is a risk I am willing to take."
-Lord Farquard

God save us all.

@SeenYourArse

I’m curious, those saying no it shouldn’t end and we should all wear masks and distance and work from home and not socialise or have fun with friends (except via Zoom🙄) etc… how long for exactly do you want this?? Forever? Literally you would like this to be as good as it gets ever? Because if two years and the current situation isn’t enough for you when will be? I’f the answer is ‘when Covid is gone’ then that will be forever won’t it in truth?

I'm working, I'm going to fly in a plane next month, first time since Aug 20, I've been on trains, went to the Cinema on Saturday. I've been on a ferry. I've spent a week in London, travelling on the tube - Aug 21. I've been to pubs and socialised.

Zoom is great to connect. I love it.

Triple jabbed and still wearing a mask and social distancing.

I care for others, but I also do things responsibly.

The vast majority of the people who have caught this varient in the UK have had a cold.

Where is the evidence for this? I know lots of people who have had it in the last couple of months and only one person has described it as a cold. The others all had to spend at least 2 days in bed so it was more like flu really. I also know lots of people who are still struggling with breathlessness and fatigue.

The vast majority of the people who have caught this varient in the UK have had a cold.

The problem is I now know a lot of people who have had it and that really isn’t the case. Some had it mildly, most people were layer out by it though. My husband now has Lon COVID, my friends DH died, another friend needed paramedics for her 9yo DD. I have never experienced any of these happening to people with the flu, let alone a cold.

Just declaring the pandemic because you want it to be over doesn’t mean it is.

@placemats

So can you imagine writing off £4.3 billion in fraudulent Covid loans?

This is what Rishi Sunak has done.

captainofsuccess.com/2022/01/17/treasury-writes-off-4-3bn-in-covid-payments-lost-to-fraud/

Do you think this would happen with benefit fraud?

Jeez... 4.3billion?! That's awful.

What sort of fraudulent claims was this? Is it including those businesses who claimed furlough when workers could work at home? IIRC, didn't Mumsnet furlough a huge portion of its staff, when I assume the majority of work is computer based and therefore could have been done remotely.

I don't think it's that, you could furlough staff for childcare reasons if they requested it.

@SeenYourArse
I’m curious, those saying no it shouldn’t end and we should all wear masks and distance and work from home and not socialise or have fun with friends (except via Zoom🙄) etc… how long for exactly do you want this?? Forever? Literally you would like this to be as good as it gets ever? Because if two years and the current situation isn’t enough for you when will be? I’f the answer is ‘when Covid is gone’ then that will be forever won’t it in truth?
You are being deliberately goady.
There isn’t one person on this thread that has said ALL restrictions should stay in place. Masks in public places and isolation for positive cases should stay IMO for now, but working from home should end and social distancing isn’t necessary in lots of areas either. People should be able to go out and about, nobody’s saying everybody should stay at home. But, there should be some measures in place to try and reduce the spread as much as possible.

It’s about still doing things, but being responsible- it’s possible for both to go hand in hand, or are you just so narrow minded that you can’t see that @SeenYourArse?

Just declaring the pandemic because you want it to be over doesn’t mean it is.

The legal basis is ending though when the two years passes so our response will change

I think there were many sub companies claiming, who didn't have actual staff. Also I have to say that Eat Out To Help Out was a disaster.

Also Michelle Mone.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/14/government-dispute-vip-lane-firm-referred-tory-peer-michelle-mone-ppe-medpro

So £4,300,000,000.00 lost to the economy.

@placemats

I think there were many sub companies claiming, who didn't have actual staff. Also I have to say that Eat Out To Help Out was a disaster.

Also Michelle Mone.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/14/government-dispute-vip-lane-firm-referred-tory-peer-michelle-mone-ppe-medpro

So £4,300,000,000.00 lost to the economy.

Iirc at one point loans were secured by personal assets

Of course not many business owners would want to take that gamble, so then it moved to backed by government

I was always concerned by the high cost of loans etc and hope we never need to do it again. The furlough was initially set up for 8 weeks and lasted for what over a year.

The cost of response was astronomical and I’m glad the Act is finishing soon.

For all those saying the pandemic isn't over just because you stop isolation. It's either stop now, or carry on forever.

@LindaEllen

Why is it now or never? What's the basis of that decision?

I’m curious, those saying no it shouldn’t end and we should all wear masks and distance and work from home and not socialise or have fun with friends (except via Zoom

Sorry, who on this thread has said that?

@kittensinthekitchen agreed. The choice is being framed as we all "hide" at home forever. Or we end all restrictions and testing. The choice is not an all or nothing however anyone frames it.
If we don't get a new more deadly variant we may never go back to restrictions. If we do get one we will go back whatever is said now.

@kittensinthekitchen

For all those saying the pandemic isn't over just because you stop isolation. It's either stop now, or carry on forever.

@LindaEllen

Why is it now or never? What's the basis of that decision?

Because it isn't going to magically get any better? So if you don't think it should stop now, when do you think it should stop? Its here to stay. Everyone who wants one has been vaccinated. Testing and isolating people who aren't particularly ill is causing more problems than it is now solving. So yes, the reason it is now (or the spring at least) or never is because if people aren't comfortable with it now, they never will be.

Because it isn't going to magically get any better? So if you don't think it should stop now, when do you think it should stop? Its here to stay. Everyone who wants one has been vaccinated. Testing and isolating people who aren't particularly ill is causing more problems than it is now solving. So yes, the reason it is now (or the spring at least) or never is because if people aren't comfortable with it now, they never will be

Not everyone who wants a vaccine has been vaccinated - either because they’ve had covid so have to wait or they aren’t due a booster yet.

You can tell a certain demographic runs this country and uses mumsnet - they assume that everyone is over 40 and been able to get their booster.

[quote AllThePogs]@kittensinthekitchen agreed. The choice is being framed as we all "hide" at home forever. Or we end all restrictions and testing. The choice is not an all or nothing however anyone frames it.
If we don't get a new more deadly variant we may never go back to restrictions. If we do get one we will go back whatever is said now.[/quote]
Wrt the legal basis ending it is reverting to nothing though.

You legally won’t have to isolate or test and whatever else it covers.

Okay so the pandemic is legally over.
I had no idea pandemics obeyed laws.