17,731 total deaths from Covid in the UK with no other underlying health issues

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ONS released this data mid December.

Does it make any difference to how you feel about the way the pandemic was handled? Does it detract from the fears you have about Covid yourself?

Is it even worth knowing these figures?

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses?s=08

My biggest fear always was that a member of my family would need hospital for ANY reason and there would be no beds, doctors or nurses available.
So unless you’re going to go on to suggest that the nhs do not treat those with “a prexisting condition” then this data does not change my feelings at all.

Yes I hated lockdown. My only child suffered a lot. But I’d rather that than dc in a hospital corridor needing treatment in an overcapacity hospital.

Yes I saw the 80% of conditions are lifestyle based too - lovely. Maybe I should just accept my fate now, clearly it's my own fault.

If only it was the simple with chronic health conditions!

I didn't choose to get psoriasis at the age of 12/13. Maybe I should blame the grandparents on both sides for having it too and passing it on.
I didn't choose to have that psoriasis develop into psoriatic arthritis in my 30s. I'm not sure my lifestyle made me have either tbh! Certainly not what the consultants have said.

I didn't choose to have SVT, developing from being around 20th. My lifestyle was healthy and I was definitely not overweight at that point, etc. The slight fault in my heart causing the 'short circuit' was not caused by lifestyle. Fortunately it's now been repaired through a small op - again it no longer being a big issue in my life is not caused by lifestyle changes! The fact that my 19y Dd appears to have developed it isn't her lifestyle either - though probably my fault for potentially passing it on I guess.

And I now have hypertension to add to the list. Which appears to have been caused by a covid infection - never had any issues before covid. Developed when I had covid as a complication.hence being rushed to hospital with an incredibly high easing which wouldn't come down even with meds. And all investigations and tests tell me it's not lifestyle that caused it, nor for me will lifestyle changes reduce it or make it go away. The only thing that will keep it fine is medical intervention in the form of medication daily.

But hey, it's fine. Probably all my own fault anyway.

[quote Northsoutheastwest76]@Abraxan it is a vile attitude. Don't forgot 80% of chronic illness is lifestyle too apparently so it is probably your own fault.
The irony of this is that my dh used to exercise regularly until he could hardly walk due to arthritis.
My asthma started when I was young and fit too. Yet of course it must be because I am a lazy obese person who funnily enough exercises lots. Or maybe I am smoker or drinker. Also no..
I hope you continue to improve. COVID can be nasty and I can see it throwing up lots iof health issues in the future. So the numbers with pre existing conditions will shoot up.[/quote]
I suspect the 80% figure is linked to a very specific type of chronic illnesses and the poster probably hasn't chosen to delve into the specifics involved.

Many of the underlying causes listed are not something people can help having and many have them from being very young. I really wish we didn't have posters determined to minimise people's health by basically blaming individuals for them!

I hope both you and your partner are well.

I think some posters are probably best ignored when it comes to threads like this.

@Thievesoil

I see reports of “healthy young person seriously ill with covid” and they are obese.

It is heartbreaking

We have to have the courage to say to people that obesity is a health condition in itself. It is treatable. Just don’t follow NHS high starch guidelines!

It’s like they want a sick population

And as far as I can see we are now moving to targeted support. Boosters for those that need them and please leave the rest of us alone

Oh I wondered where you had gone 😉

@Abraxan thank you. Yes we are both doing well. Funnily enough DH has a similar history to you re the arthritis. We fortunately have avoided COVID as DH can work from home and my work us mostly outside.
I feel do sorry for school staff especially Primary with underlying conditions as the mitigation is just not there. I fully expect is to get COVID eventually as we have 3 school aged dds.

@Northsoutheastwest76

Yes *@Dishhh it was sneaky but I know OP really laid into @ollyollyoxenfree* earlier when she suggested a minimising agenda.

Yes I got quite the tounge lashing for that from OP

It's hard to see how a thead with this title doesn't have that kind of agenda, even more so when you consider in the context of posting history.

Why not be upfront? "So if only X number of people with no underlying conditions died due to COVID, does that mean the worldwide response to COVID was an overeaction?" Let's discuss. etc

@Thievesoil

I see reports of “healthy young person seriously ill with covid” and they are obese.

It is heartbreaking

We have to have the courage to say to people that obesity is a health condition in itself. It is treatable. Just don’t follow NHS high starch guidelines!

It’s like they want a sick population

And as far as I can see we are now moving to targeted support. Boosters for those that need them and please leave the rest of us alone

Incorrect - obesity is counted as an underlying condition by ONS (as are many other things which are super common in the population), and so these people are not in the numbers of "otherwise healthy people" who died.

We have to have the courage to say to people that obesity is a health condition in itself
Have said this many times - obesity has been considered a public health crisis (even more so than antibiotic resistance) for at least the last two decades. Funding has been poured into preventing and treating it, with bodies such as cancer research UK doing high profile campaigns. All sorts of interventions have been trialled and implemented. I'm not sure who you think is shying away from addressing it.

Yes @ollyollyoxenfree it is odd and it amazes me how patient you are explaining the same things time and time again. You always give a science based but balanced reply.

The wide-eyed "moi, minimising?" thing gets very tedious. Especially from a poster who, frankly, does nothing but. Thread after thread, post after post, comment after comment.

The fact that we've now moved on from "but everyone who died was going to die anyway" to "look at what a teeny tiny number weren't going to die anyway" makes it no less abhorrent an attitude.

@PAFMO

The wide-eyed "moi, minimising?" thing gets very tedious. Especially from a poster who, frankly, does nothing but. Thread after thread, post after post, comment after comment.

The fact that we've now moved on from "but everyone who died was going to die anyway" to "look at what a teeny tiny number weren't going to die anyway" makes it no less abhorrent an attitude.

It's grotesque. And the posts have such a thin veneer of nicety to them - just enough to pass guidelines. The malice is implied and encouraged.