People really have had enough haven’t they?

[DontWantTheRivalry]

I was in my local newsagent this morning and it was me, two women behind the counter and 7 other shoppers.

5 of us were quite huddled together whilst waiting to pay, so we were very close to the staff members behind the till too, and the other two people were still shopping.

Of the ten of us in the shop, which is quite a small newsagents I was the only one wearing a mask and nobody was even bothered that nobody else was. I mean, the shop assistants aren’t going to make an issue of it seeing as they don’t wear masks either.

I felt like such an idiot as I stood there wearing one.

I’m not threatened by Covid, I would love for things to go back to being mask-free, I only wear one because guidance says to rather than because I want to, but I was just so surprised that nobody else was wearing one too.

I felt so uncomfortable wearing one and I think if my hands weren’t full of food and things I probably would have taken mine off because I just felt silly.

It really has made me think that people have just had enough haven’t they?

It's just a stonewalling tactic. There are pros and cons to doing nothing, to using some protective measures, to vaccination, to full on lockdown. In the same way as suggesting ventilation is addressed may be met with "so you want another lockdown / covid will be around forever / can catch it anywhere". Stonewalling and deflection.

Yes.

Ventilation and air filtration will be next i think. I saw a photo recently of a cinema i think in Japan. It was an air conditioning monitor screen. It had numbers representing air quality for each theatre. Science like that will get us through this. Expensive and will put prices up for everything but guessing it will be necessary in the future

I would have come out of that shop rather than "be huddled up". I wear a mask. Some people are selfish idiots.

What ‘medical tyranny’?
Do you know any nurses or HCPs @RobotValkyrie

@Flaxmeadow

It's just a stonewalling tactic. There are pros and cons to doing nothing, to using some protective measures, to vaccination, to full on lockdown. In the same way as suggesting ventilation is addressed may be met with "so you want another lockdown / covid will be around forever / can catch it anywhere". Stonewalling and deflection.

Yes.

Ventilation and air filtration will be next i think. I saw a photo recently of a cinema i think in Japan. It was an air conditioning monitor screen. It had numbers representing air quality for each theatre. Science like that will get us through this. Expensive and will put prices up for everything but guessing it will be necessary in the future

There were many calls for extreme action re omicron last year

If the seriousness had been followed we would have huge damage for little reason.

Some posters were so certain it would end in lockdown - no uncertainty there - which was unhelpful and became irritating

Anyway thankfully they were wrong, SAGE numbers didn’t come to light, and we’ll be out of plan b soon enough

Have you any idea what they’ve been through over the last couple of years?
And are still going through.
Wear a mask.

That's interesting @KurtWilde Where are you? Are you talking about a region or a small village? because your area seems to have bucked the trends across the UK.
I don't know anyone who lives in an area that's had a constant downward trajectory - everything re-opening; school peaks; different variants and people catching the latest variant even though vaccinated mean most areas have had peaks and troughs. It's also not a trajectory that's obvious from the Zoe map either.

Have you any idea what they’ve been through over the last couple of years?

Yes. And thankfully things are finally looking more positive!

I don't find wearing a mask whilst in a shop to be a a difficulty. If I worked there for an 8 hour shift, I probably would, but presumably customers are wearing a mask for the short amount of time they are in there makes it less likely that those working there need to wear one .

I think continuing to wear masks in shops and on public transport is a good thing, as it's not a difficulty for most, and could help those who have other health needs to feel safe while they are doing these necessary things .

It is interesting though that cases are not any lower in Scotland and Wales where the mask mandate continued last summer when it was stopped in England .

@Blubells maybe you should look at the case maps from Zoe and from the Government. Handily you can even drag back the timer so you can see how many cases there are at present and why 'wishing it so' isn't really a strategy that works. It's also damn insensitive to say thinks look more positive to posters who are telling you about the impact. There's a word for people who have an inability to empathise and a failure to learn from experience.

@ShinyHappyPoster obviously we've had spikes at the same time as the rest of the country, they seem to have petered out quicker than elsewhere. I'm wondering if that's because we were red for so very long, barely any restrictions were lifted when the rest of the country was enjoying some freedoms we were still in perpetual lockdown!

I have had enough of people not doing as asked and not taking personal responsibility

Just because you can still go to a nightclub doesn’t mean you absolutely have to, then take covid home with you

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

If my husband gets covid they will delay his cancer operation by 7 weeks. Even if you don't believe covid will make you ill could you perhaps bring yourselves to have a bit of fucking consideration for others? The mask is to protect us from you, not you from anyone else.

@Chloemol

I have had enough of people not doing as asked and not taking personal responsibility

Just because you can still go to a nightclub doesn’t mean you absolutely have to, then take covid home with you

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

What have nightclubs got to do with doing what we've been asked to do? You're evidently posting from a place where they're still open and available for the public. Why is your personal responsibility assessment relevant?

Also, don't universalise your experience of covid. You saying it's horrific is no better than people saying it's a cold.

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

It varies hugely though. For many people it is that mild. For me 2nd time around It was like a bad cold(by most people's standards, an average cold by mine) For another family member it was like a mere hint of a cold. I've known others who were similar, including a few CEV people..

Their experience is no less valid than yours. Likewise for some people it makes them feel completely terrible and for others it's life threatening.

@Blubells maybe you should look at the case maps from Zoe and from the Government. Handily you can even drag back the timer so you can see how many cases there are at present and why 'wishing it so' isn't really a strategy that works. It's also damn insensitive to say thinks look more positive to posters who are telling you about the impact. There's a word for people who have an inability to empathise and a failure to learn from experience.

Thanks for the link. Thankfully cases near us are falling quite rapidly (Greater London) but I appreciate that other parts of the UK may not have plateaued yet - hopefully they will soon.

And I don't think I told any specific poster that things seem more positive - apologies if I did.

It was in response to the thread title, asking whether people have 'had enough' of the be covid restrictions including masks.

Medical tyranny? perhaps someone could tell the HCPs they've been promoted. I'll wait with baited breath as I suspect the next announcement will be another kick in the teeth along the lines of an order to HCPs to have adults all boosted by the end of December. By the way, we'll kid everyone we'll suspend most other primary care priorities but in practice we won't and we'll change payments so you earn much less too for 'flu vacc and other things. Best forget about Christmas but don't worry because Boris has 'saved Christmas'..

@TheLovelinessOfDemons

Tell that to my adult son who could die if he catches it, and only recently is allowed out of his house, only for a 10 minute walk every day.

I am very sorry for your Son. However I think we have now got to the point that the needs/wants of the many must now trump the few.

@Chloemol

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

"Feeling ill for days" is hardly "horrific".

@Chloemol

I have had enough of people not doing as asked and not taking personal responsibility

Just because you can still go to a nightclub doesn’t mean you absolutely have to, then take covid home with you

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

I'm sorry you felt so poorly, but statistically, Omicron is mild for the majority.

And I'm not sure I get your point about nightclubs. They are legally open. Yes, it's possible you might contract the virus from a nightclub, just as you might from a school, supermarket or hairdressers, but it is up to the individual whether or not they want to take that risk. It's absolutely no business of yours.

@Whatayear81

I half heartedly wear them just to avoid drawing attention to myself. But really, most of the time I have it below my nose

Then there is absolutely no point.

@Dghgcotcitc

There is def an interesting physiology going on which is making the pro lockdown crowd very upset!

Basically at the start of this there were tv scenes of people gasping for breath in Italy and in the U.K. the only people with diagnosised covid were in hospital as only those were tested. Yes people knew people who thought they had it but those people tended to have been Ill you knew no one who had had it mildly because those cases were not diagnosed. This created significant fear of an illness people thought was a) very serious and b) you were def going to catch if you went outside the house.

In time those perspectives have changed, lots of people know someone who genuinely didn’t get Ill! I was on a video conference meeting last January with three people all who had covid and all who were working away it was hard to square that with the “this is way more serious than flu” mantra if the early pandemic. Also people have started to live their lives and realise you don’t automatically get covid when you do so. I was someone who got my life back quick smart after lockdown one and I remember the shock on friends faces when I said yes I have been to pubs, restaurants etc they honestly seemed to think they would drop down dead if they ever tried and yet here I am well over a year later and still not had covid. Lots of people have done the same over a time abs realised the same, things stopped feeling risky when you tried something and didn’t automatically die after doing it.

And all of This was happening before but was accelerated post vaccination. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle now, people have seen mild covid, they know they can go put and not automatically catch it, they are just not as scared and that change has made a big difference.

So no covid “doesn’t care if your bored” but lots of people no longer care what covid thinks! They are not scared of it like they were last March, abs that is a trend that is hard to reverse.

This is very true.

@RobotValkyrie

I just wish mask wearing was treated as an individual decision, much like wearing a scarf or not (the winter garment type, not the cultural/religious type!). All this caring about what other people chose to do with their bodies is really oppressive and unhealthy. Like what you wear or not represents some form of political statement. Urgh.

I wear a mask for my own comfort (sometimes it just feels right), I remove this mask for my own comfort (glasses fogged up, hard to breath after running to catch the bus, etc.), I couldn't care less what other people are doing, and I wish they did the same.
I understand the valid concerns of CEV people and their families. But medical tyranny has to stop. The psychological harm is real.

It doesn't work that way though does it? It's a Public Health crisis so doing your own thing isn't that helpful.

@Chloemol

I have had enough of people not doing as asked and not taking personal responsibility

Just because you can still go to a nightclub doesn’t mean you absolutely have to, then take covid home with you

And I have had enough of people saying it’s mild, it’s like a cold, no it’s bloody not, it’s horrific and you feel ill for days

Rubbish.

If you don't want to go to nightclubs then don't. Other people will do as they see fit. You are quite welcome to never leave the house again. Just stop trying to tell other people what to do.

I've had it twice now. It wasn't "horrific" either time. Have had worse colds. From the very beginning we were told "this is a mild virus for the vast majority of people". Personal anecdotes don't change that.

@itwasntaparty

I am so over the whole thing. I do wear a mask, I don't want to be responsible for infecting anyone else but it really needs to stop.

Now (England, not sure about Scotland / Wales) you now can't get a PCR with a positive LF you just have to isolate. Who is going to carry on testing if they need to go to work to get paid. Surely it's just to drop the numbers?

Why though? Apart from the genuinely exempt, how difficult is it? Seems like posturing to me. We're not out of the woods yet.

People are seeing sense at last