People really have had enough haven’t they?

[DontWantTheRivalry]

I was in my local newsagent this morning and it was me, two women behind the counter and 7 other shoppers.

5 of us were quite huddled together whilst waiting to pay, so we were very close to the staff members behind the till too, and the other two people were still shopping.

Of the ten of us in the shop, which is quite a small newsagents I was the only one wearing a mask and nobody was even bothered that nobody else was. I mean, the shop assistants aren’t going to make an issue of it seeing as they don’t wear masks either.

I felt like such an idiot as I stood there wearing one.

I’m not threatened by Covid, I would love for things to go back to being mask-free, I only wear one because guidance says to rather than because I want to, but I was just so surprised that nobody else was wearing one too.

I felt so uncomfortable wearing one and I think if my hands weren’t full of food and things I probably would have taken mine off because I just felt silly.

It really has made me think that people have just had enough haven’t they?

It is all about ME.

But that's just human nature. There is no equivalent in human history where we've been expected to sacrifice livelihoods, lives, relationships with others, mental health for those who are medically at higher risk. Certainly not for the guts of two years.

*I think the posts on this page neatly demonstrate why we have the government we have and frankly we probably deserve it.

It is all about ME.*

Is it though?

Isn't it about what's best for society overall?

@TheKeatingFive

It is all about ME.

But that's just human nature. There is no equivalent in human history where we've been expected to sacrifice livelihoods, lives, relationships with others, mental health for those who are medically at higher risk. Certainly not for the guts of two years.

With the accompanying detriment to other vulnerable people, I might add. We know that the vulnerable are not one cohesive group with the same interests.

That faith in the goodness and altruism of government is touching

Unfortunately there is no motive force in nature which inherently drives humans to be altruistic or show faith in goodness.

In fact, a number of philosophical, psychological, and economic theories examine the role of self-interest in motivating human action.

@jgw1

I think the posts on this page neatly demonstrate why we have the government we have and frankly we probably deserve it.

It is all about ME.

Many have sacrificed a lot over a long period, I’m surprised people skip over this

And yet again, it is not about protecting the CEV (& never was).

It is about protecting society from having too many people all unwell (or dying) all at the same time.

It is about protecting society from having too many people all unwell (or dying) all at the same time.

It was about protecting health systems. But yet again, that's fairly unprecedented. There's never been much onus on people to live healthier lifestyles to avoid type 2 diabetes, which prior to covid put the most pressure on our health service.

I think it’s a bit sad that after all people have done some still do the ‘me’ line or ‘selfish’ etc

Dismisses the hardship

I had kind of assumed there was very little to worry about until last weekend.
Ran into an acquaintance a week before Christmas doing his shopping, he was happy and relatively fit.
Very sadly passed away now due to covid. I'm back to being cautious properly now

I think it’s a bit sad that after all people have done some still do the ‘me’ line or ‘selfish’ etc

Dismisses the hardship

Totally agree

@Blubells

What's your point here? It doesn't make any sense.

I think the point was being made that currently things are looking increasingly positive, and that there's no point worrying about a hypothetical tragedy happening in the future!

I do agree with that but nobody is suggesting we all stay inside to avoid a future hypothetical tragedy related to a disease that isn't the current issue.

@Blubells

What's your point here? It doesn't make any sense.

I think the point was being made that currently things are looking increasingly positive, and that there's no point worrying about a hypothetical tragedy happening in the future!

Yes thank you! You beat me to it.

Everyone is wearing them here.
Where are you OP

@frazzledali

Please do forgive my hyperbole, I understand it is not allowed unless we are making dramatic statements about covid being really serious for most people as it makes you feel ill for a week.

However people are suggesting that we keep restrictions because 'what if the next variant is more serious'

If we go on that basis when does this ever stop?

@jgw1

I think the posts on this page neatly demonstrate why we have the government we have and frankly we probably deserve it.

It is all about ME.

Utterly bizarre that this Poster made this comment

Read her other posts

Says stuff like

* There aren't any stats on outside transmission, principally because it is so rare that it is almost zero.*

Basically - far from at the forefront of pushing for more sacrifices
And then posts daft comments like this

@BurnDownTheDiscoHangTheDJ

I find this “it’s all very mild” thing bizarre. We had omicron over Christmas and were all very ill, as have been a lot of people I know. I have lupus so expected it but no one else in the family has underlying health conditions or is in a dangerous category. It was like terrible flu and knocked my otherwise healthy husband out for over two weeks, he couldn’t go back to work after the Christmas break. All boosted. I ended up in hospital and whilst I have underlying issues, they’re not in my lungs or immune system so it was a shock.

It also worries me that we are all going cavalier because omicron is “mild” but what if the next variant is not mild or, God forbid, worse than what we’ve known so far? I feel like the government acting like we’ve “won” over Covid- like it’s The Hun- is very short-sighted.

I don't understand posts like this. Do you expect to never get a virus in your life again? Have you never had one before? Not a single country on the entire planet have introduced restrictions to stop you being ill. Being ill is a fact of life. We don't stop the world from turning because people are a bit poorly

Accusing people of selfishness or self interest because they have a different opinon to you is childish.

If anything good has come out of this mass hypnosis experiment we've all taken part in, it's that most people have acted with remarkable selflessness, to the detriment of themselves and their loved ones.

It's time to take a different approch now.

*Utterly bizarre that this Poster made this comment

Read her other posts

Says stuff like

There aren't any stats on outside transmission, principally because it is so rare that it is almost zero.

Basically - far from at the forefront of pushing for more sacrifices
And then posts daft comments like this*

I am deeply gratified that you enjoy my posts so much.
Have you found any evidence for outdoor transmission of covid?

I don't understand posts like this. Do you expect to never get a virus in your life again? Have you never had one before? Not a single country on the entire planet have introduced restrictions to stop you being ill. Being ill is a fact of life. We don't stop the world from turning because people are a bit poorly

No, I don't get it either. I think this is why some of my elderly relatives and their friends have mostly given the middle finger to the restrictions. My great aunt lived through polio, which could devastatingly affect ANY age group, and yet the world didn't stop turning. She got Covid in the original form in 2020 and said she'd had worse colds.

I lost my dad to a complication from a common cold/flu virus. He wasn't elderly, he'd worked till he turned 70 and had one year of retirement before boom, gone overnight. He had COPD and was therefore classed (now) as CV, but his bloody employers didn't furlough him every flu season so he could shield!

My grandad was my age (46) when he got flu and died at home, started coughing, couldn't stop, caused a heart attack, gone. Left behind a young widow and 3 children. Perfectly fit and healthy, hard working man. No one was shocked, it happened because people get ill and some of them die.

No one has ever demanded lockdowns for flu, or mask wearing, the most you're told is stay at home if you can, that's it. Most go out knowing they could pass it to someone else, who might not fare so well. CV or otherwise.

Many, MANY viruses can cause complications and death. My DD had a serious complication of bloody tonsillitis when she was 5, and it was touch and go. Absolutely awful time, makes me curl up just remembering it. Yet millions of kids get tonsillitis every year with no problems. She's not CV, no one knows why it happened, it just did!

Some people get mild covid, some people struggle, some people unfortunately don't survive it. That's true for pretty much every illness going.

Of course it's good that we've put certain restrictions in place over the last two years (although I don't agree with some of them I can see that others were essential), but you can't just go on forever. People get ill, some of those people die. Sorry, but that's an absolute fact of life and you can't avoid it forever.

None whatsoever!

Point is - on here you’re weeping at the selfishness of so many of us

But you are very gung ho on other threads!

@jgw1

I think the posts on this page neatly demonstrate why we have the government we have and frankly we probably deserve it.

It is all about ME.

What sustained sacrifices for the benefit of strangers did you personally make before the pandemic? Do you generally put the perceived welfare of strangers before your own needs?

I find it very galling that the accusations of selfishness are still getting thrown around. We lost a huge amount of money in 2020. Granted it was hardly done willingly.
DH, when able to work again, never worried about covid exposure because frankly that paled compared to the financial worries so out he went.

Reading the blue tick/blue heart twitter posters who have barely left home since March 2020 (and of course haven't missed a salary) gnashing their teeth about selfishness grates. A lot.

People have given up so, so much, for the better part of two years, mostly for the sake of other people. Calling them selfish and ‘all about ME’ for not being willing to keep up these sacrifices forever is missing the mark by a long long way.

I put up with time-limited (ha) lockdowns to avoid mass death and the health service collapsing. I’m not prepared to put up with restrictions for the rest of my life because some people’s definition of ‘very poorly’ includes four days in bed watching Bargain Hunt.

I'm so glad people are finally seeing sense