Hospitals critical incidents

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I have seen a number of hospital trusts have declared this today. What does this actually mean and how does it affect us? Boris didn’t seem to be bothered by this should we be?

Before anyone says 'give them more money' Be aware of the fact that NHS spending for England actually rose from £118B to £150B between 2009 & 2019. Spending in the last two Years has been considerably more. Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem

Spending on NHS during 1997 and 2010 was 4% extra year on year, under the Tories it has been 1.2% per year and they removed the Bursary.
Tories have ignored the pre CV crisis in Social Care, given health staff either 0% or 1% pay rises.
They expect care workers to provide an increasingly medical care service, for below minimum wage (shifts run on for no pay & run a car at their cost)

We have 4 doctors per 100,000 people, by far the lowest in Europe, same with beds... indeed NHS England actually boast that we have so few beds...... as a sign of efficiency - thats worked out well.

As the Chair of Care providers said recently "We need a long term funding plan that incorporates social care into the NHS"

The Govt accept that the waiting list rise from 6m now to 12m in the next 2/3 years or as one patient remarked "they expect me to die first"

I think the only way around this is to ( if Pandemic ends) to ask the EU to take NHS patients, it was done by NHS Kent pre Brexit - any other solution will take many years.

I never understood why carers allowance was so measly. It costs literally hundreds to provide care support to someone at home who needs it. yet they give carers allowance of £67 a week. There would be people who would be happy to look after mum or dad but cant afford to give up work. Pay them enough to allow them to do this Still going to be less than the cost of care homes or carers 4 times a day.

@reesewithoutaspoon

I never understood why carers allowance was so measly. It costs literally hundreds to provide care support to someone at home who needs it. yet they give carers allowance of £67 a week. There would be people who would be happy to look after mum or dad but cant afford to give up work. Pay them enough to allow them to do this Still going to be less than the cost of care homes or carers 4 times a day.

This is possible, through Direct Payments. Though it goes through a proper payrol etc, hourly rate is still measly though, £10.50 per hour in my area.

Jeremy Hunt was trying to defend historical under-investment, from his days as health secretary (5 years!?) the other day on radio. Glad journo gave him grief on his latest condemnation of NHS under-investments.

@lljkk

Jeremy Hunt was trying to defend historical under-investment, from his days as health secretary (5 years!?) the other day on radio. Glad journo gave him grief on his latest condemnation of NHS under-investments.

Yes and channel 4 news nailed him on that last night. He defended himself but then had the cheek to say something like “ well on reflection maybe we didn’t understand how much more was needed” oh really ??? 🙄🙄

@lljkk

Jeremy Hunt was trying to defend historical under-investment, from his days as health secretary (5 years!?) the other day on radio. Glad journo gave him grief on his latest condemnation of NHS under-investments.

The Tories said in 2014, they would provide an extra 5000 GPs & 8am to 8pm 7 day per week GP access.....so far the number has gone down as they were up until the pandemic in 2020.

Hunt is doing a great job of healthwashing his part Austerity and run down of the NHS.

@rrhuth I live in another of those mill towns and have family in a mining one. They are grotty. Nothing wrong with saying that.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/68e07a6a-6f38-11ec-bd56-5d2f9cae1ae5?shareToken=5492612ba21b70e94c311ff1b71c68b4

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-59901883

The backlog of maintenance work is now over £9 Billion

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/07/outpatient-appointments-cancelled-portsmouth-hospital-significant/

[quote Likkleredridinghood]**@Tealightsandd* you can't deny that educational, cultural and career opportunities for young people in the SE are far* superior to those living in grotty former mill, steel or mining towns up here. Ask any ambitious person where they would want to live - Oldham, Rochdale, Barnsley or somewhere in London/home counties and I can guess the answer despite the high costs of living. One of the main reasons for the result of the EU ref was the huge and acknowledged north/south divide.[/quote]
A home is one of the most essential needs. Other people from all over moving to the south for jobs helps the homeless and badly housed southerners how?

What opportunities do homeless people have?

Two thirds of ALL of England's homeless families are in London.

So yeah. North/South divide indeed. North = much greater opportunity of stable affordable housing housing. South = high chance of poor or no housing.

Deprivation. London has some of the most deprived areas in the whole country. Check out Newham.

Then there's the wider south. Cornwall, for example, and in the south east look at se of the Medway towns - Gillingham is one, and then there's Jaywick in Essex.

Regional division is a lazy technique used (successfully it seems) by politicians and the media to detract from the real issues and needs across the country.

www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-hospital-staff-sickness-absence-numbers-covid-omicron-wave-b975431.html

@Alexandra2001

Before anyone says 'give them more money' Be aware of the fact that NHS spending for England actually rose from £118B to £150B between 2009 & 2019. Spending in the last two Years has been considerably more. Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem

Spending on NHS during 1997 and 2010 was 4% extra year on year, under the Tories it has been 1.2% per year and they removed the Bursary.
Tories have ignored the pre CV crisis in Social Care, given health staff either 0% or 1% pay rises.
They expect care workers to provide an increasingly medical care service, for below minimum wage (shifts run on for no pay & run a car at their cost)

We have 4 doctors per 100,000 people, by far the lowest in Europe, same with beds... indeed NHS England actually boast that we have so few beds...... as a sign of efficiency - thats worked out well.

As the Chair of Care providers said recently "We need a long term funding plan that incorporates social care into the NHS"

The Govt accept that the waiting list rise from 6m now to 12m in the next 2/3 years or as one patient remarked "they expect me to die first"

I think the only way around this is to ( if Pandemic ends) to ask the EU to take NHS patients, it was done by NHS Kent pre Brexit - any other solution will take many years.

Well as we had the same issues with bed blocking, patients waiting in corridors, ambulances stuck in line outside A&E; during that same period. It very much supports the fact that the amount of extra money being spent isn't helping.

We were doing deals to farm out patients abroad as far back as the early noughties I recall.

Also do remember not all of the EU provide free healthcare. Some require you to have a medical insurance policy. Also a number of EU Countries collect taxation in different ways. As example a friend of mine moved to Italy with his Italian wife couple of years back. Was speaking to him just before Christmas, the cost per litre of fuel varied between £1.80 and £2.

There are more smokers in Italy too. An added boost to their tax coffers.

Well said regarding North/South mill towns. You have only to look at some of the beautiful former mill towns round Lancashire & Cheshire. A lot of the football players live in them.

Compare them to as you say Newham, Know where I would pick.

As for Brexit and North/South divide. We have to blame successive Goverments that left so many people feeling disenfranchised. The initial EU was to open up the marketplace to each other. Had it remained that I and many others would of happily stayed a member. Likewise, Had migration been controlled I would bet that Brexit would never have been considered.

Good post @Youarefakenews

Re immigration. Control doesn't necessarily have to mean whether someone comes here or not. It also can relate to how an additional 6 million or so new arrivals are accommodated.

Obviously the sensible and right thing to do is fund the additional infrastructure and housing, and ensure protection of employment and housing rights.

Sadly successive governments did the opposite. They took advantage of immigrants to enrich slum landlords and exploitative employers looking for cheap labour.

The Red Cross is leading a consortium of charities to provide help to the NHS, and 63,000 people have volunteered to help the NHS volunteer programme in the last few weeks.

Norfolk: 100 Covid Patients and eight beds in a bay

Just in case anyone is interested. They are also at 85% staffing with the rest off sick/isolating/awaiting PCR.

And yes, patients and staff are suffering and it's not just going to be a temporary thing while this goes on.

I meant to also ask if anyone knows what's going on at their local trusts and if they are also having to cram in patients like this? What about staffing?

Our small sister Hospital has 500 staff off, which is quite a lot considering that it's a small trust, so they are impacted too.

Well as we had the same issues with bed blocking, patients waiting in corridors, ambulances stuck in line outside A&E; during that same period. It very much supports the fact that the amount of extra money being spent isn't helping

No we didn't, that was Thatcher, obv took time to fix the mess they left the NHS but by the mid '2000s the NHS was in good shape, by 2009, NHS had the highest scores ever recorded by the public.

We were doing deals to farm out patients abroad as far back as the early noughties I recall

err when Labour were in power.....

Also do remember not all of the EU provide free healthcare. Some require you to have a medical insurance policy. Also a number of EU Countries collect taxation in different ways. As example a friend of mine moved to Italy with his Italian wife couple of years back. Was speaking to him just before Christmas, the cost per litre of fuel varied between £1.80 and £2

Again rubbish, its 1:72 EUROS which is £1.44 (petrol) prices have been falling since the Autumn.

Its a condition of EU membership to have a free healthcare service.

Our health board have volunteers known as Robins. Is this uncommon in the NHS

Most hospitals have volunteers. they show people where to go mainly.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59909013

Percentage of general hospital beds occupied by covid positive patients:

(38% in Whittington Health Trust.)