Hospitals critical incidents

[Spottyphonecase24]

I have seen a number of hospital trusts have declared this today. What does this actually mean and how does it affect us? Boris didn’t seem to be bothered by this should we be?

My Trust has declared a few of these over the last couple of months. What makes me sad is the number of people we are seeing(Hospice) who have had a cancer diagnosis too late. We knew it was coming but people in 40's and 50's age bracket. Very very sad.

I'm the same @PinkSparklyPussyCat
We're the often ignored in-betweener sandwich generation. I did go to university but after several years of work experience, and I did it part-time alongside work. Not that I expect everyone to do it my way. We're all different. Individuals.

Like you, I can't stand sweeping generalisations.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

Every single boomer i know is a bigoted racist, who seemingly hates young people based on how they vote.

If you're an example of 'young people' I can see why boomers might feel the way the do.

60% of those aged 65 plus who voted, voted for Brexit they also vote mostly Tory.

I can't help who i know in my village, i just don't know anyone one different, which is why i added the very important caveat "I know...

But i did tell an untruth, whilst on hols in 2019, met two lovely older folk who are fervent anti Brexit and Corbyn supporters (yes i know), surprisingly both very successful business people.

and i'm not that young, just avoided the "boomer" label.

Lack of education is a terrible thing.

I have four degrees and a professional designation.

When folks on the internet with lackluster education tell me "I generalise too much" I honestly laugh out loud.

Nope.

It's called actual experience and knowledge. This takes many, many years.

If you have not made the effort to aquire this, then simply don't post.

I have no interest in wasting energy with you if you do not posess the knowledge and critical thinking skills to engage in normal discussions.

You have yet to demonstrate even a basic understanding of the matter being discussed, and I am not your mother.

Either shape up (and learn things), or ship out.

The calculus is clear.

If you live in a rural area, you will usually find less educated boomers. The educated ones tend to live closer to the urban areas.

My condolences as it is probably not great interacting with these folks, as they tend to be uneducated, stubborn, insular, and extremely set in their ways.

These are all reasons why they voted for Brexit.

For them...its like voting on who gets to go to the moon. Irrelevant to their own little bubble.

Our PIR light keeps coming on tonight, tiny mice are running up the fence leaping across to the bird feeder grabbing some seeds and running back down. It's like a fast food joint run.

Clever little critters

The thing is everyone is different....
Some people go to work and earm their wages some people dont work and recieve help.
Those who are working some will be very careful and save and invest others will spend spend spend never considering tomorrow. And of course those in between oh spend some and save some.
Of those recieving benefits some will do this for a short time other long term.

Why should someone who has been careful and gone without in youth to ensure a comfortable later years have this taken off them when others who have blown the lot or lived on benefits their whole life will continue to be looked after?

There is no incentive to be careful with money if others will get taken cared of that blow every penny as they go. Altenatively, the pensioners who have looked after their money are more likely to be propping up the ecomony now by using local buisnesses.
So in the situation where those who have nothing are taken care of, people will spend their money in youth. The situation where everyone plays for care or ends up in a workhouse situation if they cant afford it those with money will not be spending in retirement as they will want to avoid a workhouse situation.

There is not a simple answer.

Amd those with millions have people on ttheir payrole to ensure that as little as possoble leaves the estate. So either way they wont suffer it will be the average joes that are implacted worse

@Covidworries some people never earned enough to buy a house or save much. Illness intervened, bad luck, whatever. You do realise that don't you ? Not all council tenants are feckless scroungers. So all the red wall northerners are lazy so and sos because they aren't as wealthy as their southern counterparts ? So much for all that tory compassion for the w/c

[quote Likkleredridinghood]@Covidworries some people never earned enough to buy a house or save much. Illness intervened, bad luck, whatever. You do realise that don't you ? Not all council tenants are feckless scroungers. So all the red wall northerners are lazy so and sos because they aren't as wealthy as their southern counterparts ? So much for all that tory compassion for the w/c [/quote]
Its ironic that the people who will provide our care in old age, are the very ones who earn so little and unless they inherit, will never buy their own house, also the MC with their love of buy to let, ensure they'll live in poverty too.

@likkleredridinghood

Of course, that wasnt whay i was getting at.
I believe everyone should be eligable for care regardless. But making some people self fund could lead to a situation that then becomes those who cant self fund wont get and that woyld be awful.
Life was bloody awful for many many people 60 plus years ago, and i dont think many of us under 60 can trully understand the hardships.
We are extrodinarily lucky to have the welfare state should we need it for anyreason long term or short term.

I can understand how my post came across and im sorry because that wasnt my intention

Surrey Heartlands cancelling non urgent operations:

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@justasking111

Our PIR light keeps coming on tonight, tiny mice are running up the fence leaping across to the bird feeder grabbing some seeds and running back down. It's like a fast food joint run.

Clever little critters

How nice for you.

Have you also checked in with your assortment of cats on whether or not your mental state is good enough for posting on mumsnet?

We are all clamouring for an update!

Please keep us updated on your birding. Its so interesting to hear about

Genuine Question to those who believe elderly care should be the responsibility of the state.

It has been widely publicised for years that a great many hospital beds are lost to bed blocking. This has added expense to the taxpayer, and reduced capacity for those that would have better use of those beds.

How would you improve the situation?

Before anyone says 'give them more money' Be aware of the fact that NHS spending for England actually rose from £118B to £150B between 2009 & 2019. Spending in the last two Years has been considerably more. Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem.

Could asymptomatic Covid positive staff treat Covid patients possibly in the overflow units.

So all the red wall northerners are lazy so and sos because they aren't as wealthy as their southern counterparts ? So much for all that tory compassion for the w/c hmm

Hmmm indeed. People in the south are not wealthier than those in the north. They are in fact less likely to have disposable income. Due to the fact that one of life's most basic essentials - a home - is more expensive.

That's if they actually have a home in the first place. The south - London in particular - is the epicentre of the public health housing and homelessness emergency. Two thirds of all of England's homeless families are in London.

But it's clear that you misinterpreted Covidworries's excellent post.

@Covidworries

The thing is everyone is different.... Some people go to work and earm their wages some people dont work and recieve help. Those who are working some will be very careful and save and invest others will spend spend spend never considering tomorrow. And of course those in between oh spend some and save some. Of those recieving benefits some will do this for a short time other long term.

Why should someone who has been careful and gone without in youth to ensure a comfortable later years have this taken off them when others who have blown the lot or lived on benefits their whole life will continue to be looked after?

There is no incentive to be careful with money if others will get taken cared of that blow every penny as they go. Altenatively, the pensioners who have looked after their money are more likely to be propping up the ecomony now by using local buisnesses.
So in the situation where those who have nothing are taken care of, people will spend their money in youth. The situation where everyone plays for care or ends up in a workhouse situation if they cant afford it those with money will not be spending in retirement as they will want to avoid a workhouse situation.

There is not a simple answer.

Amd those with millions have people on ttheir payrole to ensure that as little as possoble leaves the estate. So either way they wont suffer it will be the average joes that are implacted worse

It’s quite a cynical mindset to assume that a significant proportion of people just don’t work hard enough though. Or would blow their money. Most people aren’t like that. We shouldn’t govern based on ill founded assumptions.

@Eloise12

Could asymptomatic Covid positive staff treat Covid patients possibly in the overflow units.

You will create a chaotic dysfunctional mess in those units shuffling staff around every few days, even if the staff felt well enough to do that.

We have out of control covid and no government plan. It can't be fixed easily.

@Youarefakenews

Genuine Question to those who believe elderly care should be the responsibility of the state.

It has been widely publicised for years that a great many hospital beds are lost to bed blocking. This has added expense to the taxpayer, and reduced capacity for those that would have better use of those beds.

How would you improve the situation?

Before anyone says 'give them more money' Be aware of the fact that NHS spending for England actually rose from £118B to £150B between 2009 & 2019. Spending in the last two Years has been considerably more. Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem.

This post is either deliberately disingenuous or based on poor understanding.

'bed blocking' was a significant problem before the Blair government put in additional investment in both the NHS and social care. The situation then hugely improved.

We've now had eleven years of cuts, and we are in a mess again.

It absolutely is about money. No one has thrown any money at the problem for eleven years, there have been tokenistic amounts provided but they don't begin to compensate for what was cut since 2010.

Also you have to factor in the number of elderly and the number of years each person lives post retirement, both of which have increased. Admittedly the government has tried to address this by allowing so many covid deaths

@Tealightsandd you can't deny that educational, cultural and career opportunities for young people in the SE are far superior to those living in grotty former mill, steel or mining towns up here. Ask any ambitious person where they would want to live - Oldham, Rochdale, Barnsley or somewhere in London/home counties and I can guess the answer despite the high costs of living. One of the main reasons for the result of the EU ref was the huge and acknowledged north/south divide.

One of the main reasons for the result of the EU ref was the huge and acknowledged north/south divide
Brexit was won in the south, too. It was predominantly older people who voted for it because Brexit will further reduce the opportunities for young people in those towns you pejoratively refer to as 'grotty'. I reject the word grotty, although I acknowledge the issues.

The depressing thing is Brexit will make it worse, not better. Those who voted for Brexit have chosen reduced opportunities for the young in towns across Britain.

@Eloise12

Could asymptomatic Covid positive staff treat Covid patients possibly in the overflow units.

Variants is an issue here. You would need to be certain everyone being treated and treating has the same variant. There’s concern about people getting more than one variant at once I believe.

Before anyone says 'give them more money' Be aware of the fact that NHS spending for England actually rose from £118B to £150B between 2009 & 2019. Spending in the last two Years has been considerably more. Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem

when you strip out inflation and ignore the need for increase in health spending through more treatments etc - this means nothing. The amount spent on the nhs is about £3k per year per person. A pretty good deal given what you can get in terms of healthcare.

The NHS has one of the lowest number of beds per head in Europe. Something has gone wrong.

Continually throwing money at it obviously isn't fixing the problem

What do you think ‘fixing the problem’ looks like?

Of course there are more and less effective ways to spend money (Greater investment in social care for instance), but healthcare will always cost money.

@iggly
Im sorry if it has been taken as i assume some some people dont work hard enough. This is not how i think at all. In any society there will be people that get everything handed to them on a plate and will never know struggle usually by luck of birth. At the other end of the spectrum are people who try everything to better their situation and are knocked down at everyturn usually due to poor luck of birth and opportunity afterwards. Most people on benefits arent choosing that life and i am grateful we live in a society that provides for thise unable to provide for themselves for whatever reason and regardless of if it is a short term or long term thing.

But we can not lose sight of the fact that most people who do well would not be as inclined to wo4k as hard if they were no better off than those who dont do as well. If a doctor got paid the same as a checkout opperator both important and valid jobs there would be less incentive to invest in the time, training and effort it takes tobecome a Doctor. We as a society need both and should value both but it is also important to recognise the jobs are different and therefire need a different skill set.

Which is why i feel that bith should recieve quality care in later life and it shouldnt be dependent on be able to afford it