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How can they still say nothing?

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Purplegurple · 29/12/2021 19:07

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement? No clear guidance, nothing. I'm not wanting lockdown or anything but can't believe they're so quiet over all this.

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mellongoose · 31/12/2021 07:46

@Stirling2701

BJ is being bossed around by his pesky back benchers. They are the source of so much angst and trouble.
These backbenchers appear to be providing some much needed scrutiny and balance to the debate. Unfortunately, Labour is keen to rush into greater restrictions, giving little thought to the social and financial costs.

Whether you agree or not, it's so important that these decisions are scrutinised. It's right that Boris has to answer to these MPs. It makes for better and more balanced decisions.

It's how Parliament works!

rrhuth · 31/12/2021 07:50

It makes for better and more balanced decisions

There is never a situation where having Andrew Bridgen or Michael Fabricant in the room leads to 'better and more balanced decisions'!

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 07:53

@rrhuth

It makes for better and more balanced decisions

There is never a situation where having Andrew Bridgen or Michael Fabricant in the room leads to 'better and more balanced decisions'!

Mark Harper is pretty good.
mellongoose · 31/12/2021 07:54

Are you dismissing characters because you don't agree with them? What a strange way to debate.

rrhuth · 31/12/2021 08:04

@mellongoose

Are you dismissing characters because you don't agree with them? What a strange way to debate.
It was a lighthearted comment about two of the most silly MPs we have ever had...
Lifeisnteasy · 31/12/2021 08:05

@BambinaJAS

People seem to be forgetting one thing about the flu:

Unlike last year (due to lockdown which reduced transmission to almost nil) it is now circulating again because people are interacting more.

That means we now have to deal with Omicron + newly circulating strains of the flu. There are now several flu outbreaks going on in various countries due to the strong re-emergence of the flu. The UK is also likely to be impacted by this.

Yep. Not to mention overflowing children’s A&Es because the little things had no immunity due to lockdowns, coupled with then catching nasty and strong strains of flu and respiratory infections.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/25/ae-units-in-uk-report-rapid-rise-in-childrens-infections

But only covid matters, of course.

rrhuth · 31/12/2021 08:10

But only covid matters, of course

It is because all conditions matter that having an unsustainable % of beds occupied due to covid is a concern.

If only covid mattered, why would anyone care that it is impacting treatments for other conditions? If only covid mattered, we would seek to admit as many covid patients as possible.

Lifeisnteasy · 31/12/2021 08:12

@MerryChristmas21 just because what I said doesn’t apply to you, doesn’t mean it isn’t true for some.

I know lots of people who fit into one of those descriptions - perfectly healthy and relatively young people, who seem to see the pandemic as an outlet for whatever neuroses they had before.

Lifeisnteasy · 31/12/2021 08:14

@rrhuth

But only covid matters, of course

It is because all conditions matter that having an unsustainable % of beds occupied due to covid is a concern.

If only covid mattered, why would anyone care that it is impacting treatments for other conditions? If only covid mattered, we would seek to admit as many covid patients as possible.

But it’s the covid restrictions causing a lot of these other conditions! Not to mention the super cold & other viruses circulating which are keeping people off work. A lot of people who have had both say the super cold is worse than covid!
Stirling2701 · 31/12/2021 08:18

@rrhuth so true! They would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious matter. And as for the esteemed member for the 19th century .... words fail me!

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 08:19

[quote Stirling2701]@rrhuth so true! They would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious matter. And as for the esteemed member for the 19th century .... words fail me![/quote]
Why is it laughable to provide scrutiny to Government policy?

Stirling2701 · 31/12/2021 08:21

@mellongoose I won't mention the B word, caused almost entirely by the nagging of the Tory back benchers. But maybe some people think it is a success!!

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 08:25

[quote Stirling2701]@mellongoose I won't mention the B word, caused almost entirely by the nagging of the Tory back benchers. But maybe some people think it is a success!![/quote]
Since it's what the U.K. voted for (again, whether I agree or not), yes they were correct to push to ensure Parliament respected at vote.

Anyway, that is for a different thread.

I, for one, am grateful we have voices from all political sides in Parliament that provide a range of views and important scrutiny.

rrhuth · 31/12/2021 08:27

@mellongoose

Bridgen and Fabricant don't provide genuine scrutiny! They are both just silly billies. Lighten up, really - even the Tories don't try to take them seriously.

There have always been good MPs and numpties, and we are not required to take the numpties seriously.

I am all in favour of parliamentary scrutiny but that does not mean I have to treat every MP with equal reverence.

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 08:37

I haven't mentioned the two MPs you have, but their electorate keep voting them in. And, no. When it comes to democracy, I don't "lighten up". Once it's gone, we truly are lost. Look at all the countries paying with their lives to strive for it.

PS. It's great to have characters like JRM and Fabricant and others in Parliament. How dull it would be without them.

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rrhuth · 31/12/2021 08:54

@mellongoose

I haven't mentioned the two MPs you have, but their electorate keep voting them in. And, no. When it comes to democracy, I don't "lighten up". Once it's gone, we truly are lost. Look at all the countries paying with their lives to strive for it.

PS. It's great to have characters like JRM and Fabricant and others in Parliament. How dull it would be without them.

This is all very sanctimonious but not really grounded in reality or any understanding of the way FPTP works in our system.

I value democracy greatly but that doesn't mean I have to revere people who are demonstrably poor at their job.

I think it sounds like you don't British politics that well.

Lifeisnteasy · 31/12/2021 08:55

@rrhuth and I have our differences but she’s right about this one.

JohnHuffam1812 · 31/12/2021 08:57

JRM is an utterly act too.

He's not an intellectual, tweeting in Latin then caught out on LBC with the only Latin he actually knew was the Eton school motto. Having to look up thenlatin you tweet in (and quotes which he incorrectly use) doesn't make you clever.

Claudethecat · 31/12/2021 09:07

I agree about JRM. That accent is a put on too, it is just over the top. Parliament would be a better place if his space was taken by someone who doesn't treat running the country like a reality game for the over- privileged.

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 09:08

@JohnHuffam1812

Surprised *@mellongoose* came back having been exposed as lying about the teaching unions on this thread yesterday.
Absolutely did not lie 🙄 I gave evidence that disagreed with your memory of what actually happened and how people saw it.

It's juvenile to call someone a liar when you disagree with them. The NEU wanted all teachers vaccinated before people in their 40s and 50s.

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 09:10

I thought you wanted to be lighthearted @rrhuth Only when it suits, I suppose!

mellongoose · 31/12/2021 09:11

The point of this thread was to answer why Boris isn't on the telly every day. I think that has been answered admirably by many PPs.

JohnHuffam1812 · 31/12/2021 09:12

Not sure about the accent, he is Eton alumni after all. But he has adopted this old fashioned aristocrat look/act since he was a child. Shame he's a parevenu, his father was only a life peer. So not aristocracy at all.

On his father, I have it on good authority that old Jacob wasn't good enough for banks in London at the start of his career, which is why he was out in Hong Kong. When he returned his investments followed the market, which means he is bang average. The reason he got invited to start the company he now chairs, is that due to his father, he had membership of all the right clubs for meeting potential investors. He wasn't asked on merit, but the opportunities his connections bring.

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