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drinkingwineoutofamug · 30/12/2021 11:49

@feathers7

Hospital numbers will increase, as more of the population have covid. This doesn't mean they are in hospital with covid, they could have a broken leg but also happen to test positive on their admission swab.

I am a midwife. We have 7 positive women on the unit at present, none of them are in because of covid, they just happen to have tested positive on admission to hospital.

I looked at the Covid my area gov site. Put in my post code. It says there are 9 Covid patients in the hospital I work in. No there isn't . 3 wards are closed with Covid with no beds available on the actual Covid ward. There are 19 patients on one ward alone which now means closed to hip/knee replacements etc.

We found back in January especially when we were a Covid mau that people came into to hospital unwell, and tested positive on day 3. Then the relatives shouting at us that we had given it to them. No we hadn't. It hadn't been picked up on admissions as they were showing signs of heart failure etc.

Most of our patients had also used their common sense and had family gatherings over the Xmas period. 🙄

Had to pick myself up off the floor laughing when Boris yet again said that the public should use their common sense. So a bunch of idiots went and trashed a Covid testing site.

I really don't know what the answer is. I'm a Covid contact spoke to my ward manager as nhs staff rules seem to change daily. I am to test daily. I'm triple jabbed but now unsure of protection due to being 15 weeks since last jab.
The latest from our trust, not sure about other trusts
I test positive. After 5 days if my lft is negative I can go back to work on an elderly ward, but test daily and if I have another positive during that time , back to square one.

Ludicrous

And boris is awol.

JohnHuffam1812 · 30/12/2021 11:58

Boris is doing photo ops.

Maybe he now has his own hi vis jacket and hard hat ?

TyrannosaurusRegina · 30/12/2021 12:02

@SunshineCake1

Surely by now people can make their own decisions to keep themselves safe ?

Exactly. How much do people actually want to be spoonfed? Surely by now, people know to limit socialising, maintain social distancing, masks, hand hygiene etc.

DrBlackbird · 30/12/2021 12:16

Again with the spoon fed

Most of the people I know also used their common sense and had parties / family gatherings over the Xmas period. And now I personally know of 7 people Covid positive. Including those that had not socialised but had to work with others who did. I taught f2f to hundreds of students in the last 4 months none of whom had to so didn’t wear masks or social distance.

Sadly, no people do not know to do anything like wear masks etc and no amount of magical thinking will make it so. 🙄

GiveMeNovocain · 30/12/2021 12:23

@DrBlackbird

Again with the spoon fed

Most of the people I know also used their common sense and had parties / family gatherings over the Xmas period. And now I personally know of 7 people Covid positive. Including those that had not socialised but had to work with others who did. I taught f2f to hundreds of students in the last 4 months none of whom had to so didn’t wear masks or social distance.

Sadly, no people do not know to do anything like wear masks etc and no amount of magical thinking will make it so. 🙄

So your solution is to force people to do what you want. For how long are we expected to live in masks and distance from others? When will Drakeford allow us to do parkruns and have more than 30 at an inside event? Where's the off ramp if 3 vaccinations and nearly 2 years of restrictions won't do it for you?

frasersmummy · 30/12/2021 12:33

At the other end of the spectrum Jason leitch said prepare for a terrifying wave of omicron cases and more people fighting for their lives in icu

How is that helpful..?? Its not

LittleRen · 30/12/2021 12:34

Barely anyone seems to be mentioning the booster campaign - they are vaccinating huge amount of people every single day. The boosters are effective at reducing the risk of catching omicron - the boosters will reduce the spread and reduce cases, that is the entire point of the booster campaign. The numbers will eventually peak they won’t keep rising at this rate. The risk of infection is 8 times higher if you haven’t been boosted.

I imagine isolation rules will be cut once a decent percentage are “boosted”.

the80sweregreat · 30/12/2021 12:39

What if the people who were boosted early ( my brother is early 70s and had one in October ) and it's wearing off a bit? Someone on the news said this could be the case , but it was vague.

TheVolturi · 30/12/2021 12:42

@LittleRen

Barely anyone seems to be mentioning the booster campaign - they are vaccinating huge amount of people every single day. The boosters are effective at reducing the risk of catching omicron - the boosters will reduce the spread and reduce cases, that is the entire point of the booster campaign. The numbers will eventually peak they won’t keep rising at this rate. The risk of infection is 8 times higher if you haven’t been boosted.

I imagine isolation rules will be cut once a decent percentage are “boosted”.

But the vaccines don't stop you getting it at all, they just reduce your chances of being seriously ill from it.

drinkingwineoutofamug · 30/12/2021 12:44

@the80sweregreat

What if the people who were boosted early ( my brother is early 70s and had one in October ) and it's wearing off a bit? Someone on the news said this could be the case , but it was vague.

www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211227/covid-booster-protection-wanes-new-data

Bluntness100 · 30/12/2021 12:47

Op, if you’re still reading, cases are just one indicator now and unlike with delta, deaths and hospitalisations are critical. And not just admissions, but how many are in at any given time

The issue with admission rates is they count incidentals. So in due to a car crash, but happen to habe Covid, then you’re counted. In becayse of a heart attack, but happen to have Covid? You’re counted. Even people on mental health hospitals are counted if they are admitted and have or catch Covid.

As witty said, people are being admitted and released quickly this is a different animal. Nothing is required from the government now, other than the guidance received.

ChequerBoard · 30/12/2021 12:52

@Bluntness100

Op, if you’re still reading, cases are just one indicator now and unlike with delta, deaths and hospitalisations are critical. And not just admissions, but how many are in at any given time

The issue with admission rates is they count incidentals. So in due to a car crash, but happen to habe Covid, then you’re counted. In becayse of a heart attack, but happen to have Covid? You’re counted. Even people on mental health hospitals are counted if they are admitted and have or catch Covid.

As witty said, people are being admitted and released quickly this is a different animal. Nothing is required from the government now, other than the guidance received.

Really??

Why are hospitals being asked to setup Covid surge hubs aka tents in the car park and add additional mortuary capacity then?

https://www.hsj.co.uk/coronavirus/first-eight-new-nightingales-revealed/7031621.article

LittleBearPad · 30/12/2021 12:54

But the vaccines don't stop you getting it at all, they just reduce your chances of being seriously ill from it.

This is not true! Vaccines also reduce the chances of catching it. Not completely but significantly. Please stop spreading misinformation

the80sweregreat · 30/12/2021 12:55

IF ( big IF) the vaccines and boosters are not doing a great job for our older population and the protection they had is reduced by a huge margin ( especially anyone with underlying health problems) then they will either need to shield , if they can , or just hope they don't get Omnicron. Delta is still circulating too.
I know that not every older person is poorly and would fight it off naturally , but many might not.
It's something I hope doesn't happen , of course, and Omnicron is milder.
I know so many people who are poorly at the moment. Some worse than others

TheVolturi · 30/12/2021 13:00

@LittleBearPad

But the vaccines don't stop you getting it at all, they just reduce your chances of being seriously ill from it.

This is not true! Vaccines also reduce the chances of catching it. Not completely but significantly. Please stop spreading misinformation

The NHS website doesn't say that though.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/coronavirus-vaccine/

Under the heading How well do the vaccines work? It says reduce the risk of catching but its definitely not significantly. And I don't know anyone who's had the vaccines who hasn't caught it when family members have had it. No one has been seriously ill but they don't seem to stop us catching it in the first place.

Blubells · 30/12/2021 13:06

So numbers today over 183,000. How can BoJo and his cronies still be making no statement?

Why is any statement needed? What should he say ?

Hospitalisations are the key to look out for - whether the nhs might get overwhelmed this winter. But that doesn't seem an issue now thankfully.

BellaChagall · 30/12/2021 13:06

I've been at several small gatherings recently. Quite a few people have tested positive for covid (luckily no-one very unwell). I've just been thinking about it and none of the people who were triple jabbed, myself included, caught it. We've been fine.

Blubells · 30/12/2021 13:08

And lots of double jabbed (without boosters) people I know have all had covid recently with very mild symptoms. I think omicron is intrinsically milder. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

2389Champ · 30/12/2021 13:08

I’m thinking of starting a sweepstake that this will happen:

Within the next 10 days I reckon, as the US has already done, isolation will be reduced from 10 days to five and I wouldn’t be surprised if the advice will be not to test if you have no symptoms…

LittleRen · 30/12/2021 13:11

They certainly do reduce the risk of catching it, but you can still catch it. I know plenty of people who are boosted and have not caught it despite being exposed. The NHS site is sketchy on a huge amount of covid related information, you need to read studies elsewhere.

The point is - the more people have boosters then the more protection against hospitalisation. There is more chance of the isolation rules being cut if most people are getting mild illness, coupled with the booster protection behind this.

noblegiraffe · 30/12/2021 13:15

Hospitalisations are the key to look out for

Some people seem to think it is the only thing that matters.

It was the same with the summer, then people were complaining about rises in cases causing a 'pingdemic' and disruption to normal services. As if that came as a complete surprise.

RoyalFamilyFan · 30/12/2021 13:35

People self-isolating matter, but also people being ill in bed. My partner is ill in bed at the moment. He is very unlikely to be hospitalised, but his workplace has staff going down like flies at the moment.

SheikhMaraca · 30/12/2021 13:48

@RoyalFamilyFan

People self-isolating matter, but also people being ill in bed. My partner is ill in bed at the moment. He is very unlikely to be hospitalised, but his workplace has staff going down like flies at the moment.

People get Ill, it’s a natural part of being human.

We’re you seriously expecting to live out your natural lifespan never having a few days in bed due to illness?

sst1234 · 30/12/2021 13:54

By the way, it’s very convenient that lateral flow test supplies will be restricted for the next two weeks. If people are not testing for a cold (effectively that’s what omicron is), then they won’t be self isolating, putting services under unnecessary pressure. Weaning people off Covid hysteria. A rare smart move on part of whichever Whitehall official came up with this.

ashorterday · 30/12/2021 13:54

We are back to over 10,000 people in hospital in England with Covid, the highest number since the 1st or 2nd of March.

Is that 10k people who were admitted because they had covid and need hospital treatment for it? Or just 10k in hospital who happen to test positive for covid? Because the two are very different (I genuinely don't know which it is, as I'm way past the stage where I follow the news)