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Are there any talks of a post Christmas lockdown at all now?

100 replies

OrangeCrunch · 25/12/2021 15:30

Just that really.

We were incredibly relieved and surprised to actually make it to this point, but assumed if we did, we'd almost definitely be cancelling our NYE plans, but that all seems to have gone quiet now.

Or have I missed something?

Merry Christmas btw! Xmas Smile

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 25/12/2021 19:26

This insanity and hysteria has to stop.

I’m sure that will stop Covid in its tracks.

madmomma · 25/12/2021 19:26

@LumosSolem

* This kind of black and white thinking is just so juvenile. The immense harms of lockdown have been totally ignored by Labour. Their approach has been appalling.*

This.

Labour aren't centred on people any more than the tories are. At least some Tory backbenchers have had spines and been prepared to speak up for civil liberties.

Absolutely. I couldn't vote tory because I don't want poor or disabled people to starve, but I damn well won't be voting labour again after they were so happy to lockdown. I think lib dems would get my vote.
heelforheelandtoefortoe · 25/12/2021 19:27

what is step 2?

BoredZelda · 25/12/2021 19:27

What exactly do you think is going to stop friends and family seeing each other in their houses? Some magical force field?

Why do people pretend everyone is just going to have daily parties to socialise with lots of friends, just to “stick it to covid”

billybear · 25/12/2021 19:28

i have my haircut booked for the 5th jan,fingers crossed i can get it,every other lock diwn i miss my haiurcut by 1 or 2 days,i dont ask for much just my haircut

forcedfun · 25/12/2021 19:29

@Suranjeep ... The lockdowns weren't about it not being safe for the middle classes to work, they were about controling the pandemic through limiting mixing. I know plenty of people who hate having to work from home.

ElectraBlue · 25/12/2021 19:29

Who exactly is going to agree to 'a lockdown till March' for something that seems to have turned into something mild and close to a bog- standard cold?

Johnson would also lose his leadership over this...

BoredZelda · 25/12/2021 19:30

The immense harms of lockdown have been totally ignored by Labour

And what exactly are the harms lockdown caused that covid wouldn’t have done if left unchecked?

TheKeatingFive · 25/12/2021 19:30

Why do people pretend everyone is just going to have daily parties to socialise with lots of friends, just to “stick it to covid”

I don't think one single poster has said that. Source if you disagree?

People will have normal human interaction with their friends and family in their own homes.

User762980 · 25/12/2021 19:33

@AnyFucker

That is fucking insane. Get Xmas Day over and the media will start with their doomsday headlines. So sick of this shit.

DH and I are on our own this Xmas Day, both adult dc’s have covid currently. All a lockdown will do is prolong the agony

We are also on our own, adult DS has covid, hoping he can come down later next week, his presents are still under the tree, it's all a bit sad really, luckily he is pretty symptomless.
Cheetosyummy · 25/12/2021 19:33

I can’t see anything in the media today.
No even how many Covid cases it’s in today… it’s like Covid doesn’t exist.
Is it a special measures on Xmas day or to post anything? Looks like.

Livelifeinthebuslane · 25/12/2021 19:37

And what exactly are the harms lockdown caused that covid wouldn’t have done if left unchecked?

Part of the issue is that it's not clear that lockdowns actually do significantly prevent harm. Firstly we see that people do voluntarily change their behaviour in response to perceived risk with good information, if you look at the curves you can see rates decreasing before lockdowns. Secondly if you look at different countries (or states in the case of the US), it's not at all clear that the virus behaved any differently with different levels of NPIs. Recently, Wales and Scotland having higher rates than England despite mask mandates would be an example. Thirdly, lockdowns can exacerbate transmission, such as people all travelling on the same day or going out for a last piss up, or being stuck in a house with someone with Covid so you're more likely to catch it within your household.

LittleRoundRobin · 25/12/2021 19:38

Tighter restrictions/possibly tiers again...

NO MORE LOCKDOWNS! Hmm

x2boys · 25/12/2021 19:39

@ElectraBlue

Who exactly is going to agree to 'a lockdown till March' for something that seems to have turned into something mild and close to a bog- standard cold?

Johnson would also lose his leadership over this...

Well of course they won't lock down untill march for that reason ,what they are saying is Omicron appears to be far less severe than Delta ,but if many more people get it ,it could still be quite a problem,IF it becomes a problem and hospitalisation,s and deaths start to rise massively ,the government will have to do something ,but that's IF .
LittleRoundRobin · 25/12/2021 19:40

@ElectraBlue

Who exactly is going to agree to 'a lockdown till March' for something that seems to have turned into something mild and close to a bog- standard cold?

Johnson would also lose his leadership over this...

Exactly this. ^ Everyone needs to stick together and refuse to adhere to a 4th lockdown!
puppeteer · 25/12/2021 19:43

@Incognito22333

I don’t think it is just about the NHS being overwhelmed anymore- we need concrete figures as to how many lives are actually saved by a lockdown and the economic cost of each of those lives. If every Covid live saved costs eg 15 million then it can’t be justified because the NHS won’t spend that kind of money on eg a cancer patient either. So I reckon Parliament would want hard figures and costs at this point when we have ample vaccine availability.
It's so important that the govt start challenging, asking for this kind of analysis.

It's a crime that we've been railroaded into spending towards £ 500 bn without even a conversation.

LumosSolem · 25/12/2021 19:46

I feel really sorry for hospitality if there are further restrictions, they have suffered too much for too long and can't sustain another lockdown or early closing.

And people will just be meeting in their houses anyway. Sadly I can't do much to support my local if they're forced to shut but I can look after my mental health and carry on seeing my friends. And do it as well because it is far beyond reasonable and always has been to make it illegal to have a friend or family member in your house.

Userrr · 25/12/2021 19:46

It's like some farce, there are pictures of some 'celebrities' in the DM all looking fit and well with their positive tests,

Wishfulthinking1977 · 25/12/2021 19:49

I think the most probably answer has already been addressed! Most people (excluding a vocal minority) will ignore any further restrictions! That is now agreed?! The issue is how to pay for the businesses that will have to shut and the payments for those forced to isolate!

RobinPenguins · 25/12/2021 19:51

Going back to step 2 would mean no indoor mixing outside your own household. I think they’d really struggle to bring that in, public opinion seems really different to this time last year.

bluetongue · 25/12/2021 19:57

@TheKeatingFive

people wouldn't do it anyway as they are no longer scared.

Yes, this is key. We're all double/triple vaxxed if we want to be and the fear just isn't there any more for the majority.

Governments are really hoping fearful people will comply.

My office has put output an email saying anyone in the office will need to wear a mask at all time (I’m assuming this means including at our desks). I’ll wear one to walk around the office but I refuse to wear one to sit at my desk. What are they going to do? I can get a mask exemption if it comes to it. I’ve had my booster but vaccination status seems to make no difference to anything where I work. I’m not in the UK.

Userrr · 25/12/2021 19:57

It's lot easier to mix indoors in the winter without prying eyes as it gets dark so early and people aren't outside gawping and curtains are drawn

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 25/12/2021 20:04

Some other countries are in the same situation as us re jabs but have lockdowns. Does anyone know how compliance is elsewhere?

Userrr · 25/12/2021 20:08

Most if not all EU countries let you mix with people in your own house, however hard the lockdown is

VikingOnTheFridge · 25/12/2021 21:04

@BoredZelda

What exactly do you think is going to stop friends and family seeing each other in their houses? Some magical force field?

Why do people pretend everyone is just going to have daily parties to socialise with lots of friends, just to “stick it to covid”

Why have you pulled that strawman out of thin air? That's a rhetorical question obviously, we all know full well why.

This is not the first time you have claimed that people will have no choice but to comply with any regulations, and every time you do it, multiple people explain to you that they'll be able to continue socialising in private homes. Some of us have also provided you with information about businesses that continued operating illegally in the last lockdown. This is not new information.

Clearly you don't like being told this, but that's tough shit really. It's not about daily parties, though they've certainly happened illegally. That's not how most people's social lives look. Which is why nobody's actually claiming that. It's all much more mundane. Childcare, coming in for a brew, going to your friend's for dinner, ensuring your kid gets to see their friend, that type of thing. Not making a song and dance, just quietly doing as we like. This is unpreventable.