In talks for 4th booster..

[Maddymorphosis]

According to the DM and other sources, Israel and Germany have already announced this.

Ffs.. then the 5th at Easter, 6th in summer and so on?

Are people really willing to get vaccinated every few months ?

No
But for my parents in their 80s it may not be a bad idea.

The only thing that pisses me off about this is that YET AGAIN those of us who have had a third primary dose will have to fight for it.

I’m over 61 days from my third primary. I should be able to book a booster (4th) for 91+ days. I can’t. Odds are extremely good that I won’t be able to book the second booster (5th for me) in advance either if they bring it in.

When does it end? When the vaccine makes me more ill than the virus it’s supposedly protecting me against.

That sounds ridiculous RachC.

@rrhuth

I’m also not happy to be taking up a slot that could be used by someone vulnerable.

If you are eligible for the booster - get it. You are doing no one else any favours by leaving yourself more vulnerable and there is no shortage of booster spaces now.

The WHO have asked to start sending these vaccines to parts of the world that havn't even had one.

This new booster is a knew jerk reaction to a new variant which isn't showing that it is more deadly than the others. we should be helping other parts of the world now.

@RachC2021

The only thing that pisses me off about this is that YET AGAIN those of us who have had a third primary dose will have to fight for it.

I’m over 61 days from my third primary. I should be able to book a booster (4th) for 91+ days. I can’t. Odds are extremely good that I won’t be able to book the second booster (5th for me) in advance either if they bring it in.

Yes this is not on.

Yes. As often as needed for as long as needed, it's hardly onerous & far better than hospital or death.

I have underlying issues, but even if I didn't I'd be happy to do it, because it'll protect others & give the NHS a chance to cope with covid numbers AND other treatments/emergencies

Why wouldn't you?

Plus hopefully it will become less & less frequently needed.

It is voluntary. In March 2020 I said it would end up like the flu vaccine that for years has been offered ready for the winter against the main strain for that year that is identified for the old and weak on a voluntary basis. That is probably where we ought to get to with covid vaccinations.

@motheroflions

There is already a thread about this OP, but no I won't be having it. The WHO have said to stop with boosters as we can't boost our was out of it when such a large portion of the world is still unvaccinated with their first.

Also you can buy fake covid certificates to travel, so unless these vaccines get over to those places we will never be out of this cycle.

Also we do not know if they are safe to use every few months, the risks do climb up with each one. I have had two and will be sticking with two.

I do think though that covid passports will have to show booster top ups eventually. Its all a mess.

This being the WHO who said is was NOT airborne for months?

They're a shower of shite.

Protection against Omicron isn't that strong with 2, much better with 3, omicron is here, why are you taking that risk?

I was more ill after my booster than I was when I actually had Covid. If you can still transmit it, then I am starting to think what's the point?

I will probably be considering a bit more carefully about the vaccines from here on in.

@Omicrone

I was more ill after my booster than I was when I actually had Covid. If you can still transmit it, then I am starting to think what's the point?

I will probably be considering a bit more carefully about the vaccines from here on in.

Me too. I felt dreadful after first and second jabs. A friend had fatigue lasting a month from the vaccine and is not getting the booster. In Sweden, the swine flu jabs they rolled out caused lifelong narcolepsy for some recipients. In hindsight, getting swine flu would probably have been preferable for most of them. At the end of the day, there are risks of getting the illness and risks of the vaccine. They need to be weighed up and people need to be able to make their own minds up without pressure and stigma.

@NovemberNovemberDarkNights

The WHO, more a shower of shite, compared to our SAGE advisors with Patrick Vallance and his six figure share holding in GSK he was forced to offload in March after pressure on transparency from the BMJ? Yes, I'm sure he has nothing to gain from pharma companies increasing the frequency of boosters.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/971151/Covid-199SAGEregisterrofparticipantssinterests.pdf

The only thing everyone agrees on is that first doses of vaccines are essential to build immunity and resistance to covid being a serious disease. It's simple science that if omicron is not a deadly variant for most but vulnerable groups, a booster is unnecessary. The booster we take now could have been used by another nation as a first dose - that is how you stop deadly variants mutating, they stem from the unvaccinated. All we are now doing is taking a pointless booster as most people are in their vaccine efficacy period anyway to be protected from omicron. And it means taking another booster soon after when the vaccine efficacy of the first dose wanes. And then another unvaccinated person in a region with low herd immunity and low immunisations creates another deadly mutation which needs another booster. Which means we never get to a point of vaccinating most of the world and stopping variants.

That's how we eradicated small pox- concentrated efforts globally to get everyone vaccinated. Because every nation needs to achieve a certain threshhold of immunisation. Not this hyper localisation focus.

@NovemberNovemberDarkNights

Because I dont want to go down the path of having boosters every three month with every new variant.

Because people who still need primary vaccines in this country are now having to wait because of a knee jerk reaction off the government as people are piling in for a booster.

Because there is no data that says the new variant is more deadly than the last one.

Because we are hogging all the vaccines when there are people havn't even had one - health care staff in third world countries who actually really need it.

Because there is no long term evidence that these vaccines are safe to take in such a short space of time continuously.

Because I am a fit and healthy 40 year old who has had two vaccines and already had covid.

[quote todaysdilemma]@NovemberNovemberDarkNights

The WHO, more a shower of shite, compared to our SAGE advisors with Patrick Vallance and his six figure share holding in GSK he was forced to offload in March after pressure on transparency from the BMJ? Yes, I'm sure he has nothing to gain from pharma companies increasing the frequency of boosters.

[[https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment]]data/file/971151/Covid-199SAGEregisterrofparticipantssinterests.pdf

The only thing everyone agrees on is that first doses of vaccines are essential to build immunity and resistance to covid being a serious disease. It's simple science that if omicron is not a deadly variant for most but vulnerable groups, a booster is unnecessary. The booster we take now could have been used by another nation as a first dose - that is how you stop deadly variants mutating, they stem from the unvaccinated. All we are now doing is taking a pointless booster as most people are in their vaccine efficacy period anyway to be protected from omicron. And it means taking another booster soon after when the vaccine efficacy of the first dose wanes. And then another unvaccinated person in a region with low herd immunity and low immunisations creates another deadly mutation which needs another booster. Which means we never get to a point of vaccinating most of the world and stopping variants.

That's how we eradicated small pox- concentrated efforts globally to get everyone vaccinated. Because every nation needs to achieve a certain threshhold of immunisation. Not this hyper localisation focus.
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Yes I agree with this post.

My healthy 22 year old already on two Pfizers has been invited for a booster at 3 months post second vaccine.
This seems bonkers to me.

It is bonkers. the Imperial Collage Of London has just released findings that people with the new variant are 45% less likely to need hospital treatment than the Delta variant.

This is a knew jerk reaction that has effected so many peoples lives yet again.

So many businesses effected again.

I am sick of this government I really am.

People are having booster shots for a very mild strain when there are others around the world that havnt even had one single dose. its disgusting.

At this point I would like our armed forces and vaccines to be deployed to third world countries.

the Imperial Collage Of London has just released findings that people with the new variant are 45% less likely to need hospital treatment than the Delta variant

That’s great news. Isn’t it great that before we knew this, the government for once were cautious. Three weeks ago we had no idea how this variant might pan out, and we’re still to know for sure.

I’m no fan of the government at all, but they may have learnt a lesson from their previously shit handling of the pandemic.

We do not know if they are safe to use every few months

Quite

Before the howls of "antivaxer!!!" start, that's not to say that they're not safe - simply to recognise that there's not yet been enough time to research the effects of jab after jab after jab

@CarrieBlue

the Imperial Collage Of London has just released findings that people with the new variant are 45% less likely to need hospital treatment than the Delta variant

That’s great news. Isn’t it great that before we knew this, the government for once were cautious. Three weeks ago we had no idea how this variant might pan out, and we’re still to know for sure.

I’m no fan of the government at all, but they may have learnt a lesson from their previously shit handling of the pandemic.

No they should have listened to the doctors in Africa. Who said all along it is very mild.

Instead they have encouraged people to stay away from businesses that were already on it knees, Ireland is calling for people to be put back on furlough and asking the UK government to pay for it despite receiving a £75 million in extra covid funding. Wales and Scotland have just closed night clubs and forced businesses to close as they couldn't adhere to new social distance guidelines.

People businesses are being ruined.

They have encouraged people to take up a booster when it wasn't needed. Taking it away from people who actually do.

I’ll happily take the booster and wear a mask when needed but it’s getting to the point that I expect my freedom to live my life in return.

@AlandAnna

I’ll happily take the booster and wear a mask when needed but it’s getting to the point that I expect my freedom to live my life in return.

Which is getting quite clear that you won’t get. We’re on the brink of likely lockdown and people have had three jabs. Cases are higher than ever.

And it pisses me off no end that there are people in some places who can’t get one vaccine while healthy 25 year olds with virtually zero risk of being hospitalised anyway are booking up appointments to get their third vaccine.

Unless we ban all overseas travel we will constantly get new variants because there are so many countries where they can’t even get their first dose.

I don't think that the intention of saying there's no point vaccinating regularly in wealthier countries whilst others don't have access is saying 'don't do boosters' as much as it's saying 'put money and time into helping poorer countries as well because nobody's safe until this is a worldwide effort that's not dependent upon an individual country's wealth'. So it's Do More Because An Island Mentality Doesn't Solve The Problem, not Don't Do Anything Because Vaccines Don't Work.

I'll keep on having vaccines. I didn't rate having flu much, meningitis was bloody shit, I certainly didn't rate pneumonia and Covid fucking sucks, too. From memory, I wasn't exactly a fan of measles (especially as my sight was affected by it) or Mumps either and Chickenpox whilst pregnant is rather like being slowly drowned in boiling acid.

I'd far rather my immune system dealt with a mostly harmless attenuated version or a bit of RNA every time there's a significant mutation than the full blown Russian Roulette of wild infections.

Yes - if the science tells us we need this to reduce risk of serious illness or death. Hell I’d have a jab every week if need be.

@DukkaTheHallsWithBoughsOfHolly

It’ll end up like flu where we get jabbed every year, so yes.

Flu jab once a year! Covid booster every 3 months how is this anything like a yearly flu jab?