In talks for 4th booster..

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According to the DM and other sources, Israel and Germany have already announced this.

Ffs.. then the 5th at Easter, 6th in summer and so on?

Are people really willing to get vaccinated every few months ?

That article is interesting. So immunity against severe disease only wanes by 8% over 6 months after the original two doses.

I don't understand this mad rush for everyone to get boosters?

We rage against politicians for backhanding contracts to their buddies on testing, yet stay shtum when the scientists dictating policy are not at all transparent about vested interests. The Gov only published their interests after the BMJ issued a FOI request and challenged Valance's shareholding in GSK

It's actually even worse than that, since folk insist again and again that the scientists are "independent" with little apparent thought as to who's doing the paying
I've never quite worked out if people don't know about vested interests or don't want to know, but it's a valid point nonetheless

Happy to have multiple jabs but would prefer a system where we pay for them (low/non waged exempt) and that money goes to support the rollout in other countries.

Fine by me. I think vaccines are one of the most significant scientific developments that has contributed hugely to the health and wellbeing of humans. I'll roll my sleeve up.

Happy to have multiple jabs but would prefer a system where we pay for them

I think many people are reluctant to have these boosters every 5-10 weeks anyway. If they had to pay for them, I can't imagine much demand?

@sleepwouldbenice

Erm, I didn't say it contradicted the article. That article is just her trying to back peddle. I said it contradicted her analysis, and her thinking because the same data she analysed to say that boosters were necessary, and that Omicron was severe has been disproved by the WHO saying boosters are NOT necessary if healthy populations are in the vaccine efficacy period (we are), and Imperial has disproved her analysis that Omicron is the deadliest thing since it all started.

Maybe this will convince you if you still think Harries is an expert on Covid.

3 guesses who thought masks would increase the risk of infection back in March 2020.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wearing-mask-may-increase-risk-of-infection-jzz6t0m2t

Or this absolute zinger (she is also head of track and trace), that track and trace is only relevant for countries less developed than the UK
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-testing-response-ppe-whitty-jenny-harries-sage-a9474201.html

Oh, what about this one on her comments on the UK's exemplar preparedness
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jenny-harries-criticised-for-patronising-remark-about-exemplar-preparedness-11975652

And finally, the best for the last "outdoor gatherings are safe and banning football matches isn't in the name of science"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51812326

But please, do carry on believing that Dr Jenny Harries's is the expert on Covid.

Tbh it wasn't the outdoor activities themselves that provided a massive risk but the associated travel and indoor hospitality that anyone associated with these events anticipated.

And hospitality is part of an 'event'. Her comment was specifically about 'events', not just outdoor gatherings (that was my typo)

What she said was: "Many outdoor events, particularly, are relatively safe."

I am very very unsettled by this. Each time I've been boosted I have been ill for 2 or 3 days, my periods have gone crazy and it's imcovenient and hurts and makes me anxious and is costly to the NHS (financially and in terms of resources).

If all of us need boosting every 3 months the NHS will collapse anyway. It is a HUGE amount of manpower to roll these out. Even on the best days when 900,000 have been vacced it's been at the cost of cancer treatment, "non urgent GP care" (what, like the smear tests Jade Goody told me were so very vital?) Etc. If there are 40million of us needing boosters every 3 months, that's 45 days out of 90 that the NHS has to pull off the thing that being mooted as a real feat of blitz spirit.

No. No no no.

Realistically, I'll take the minimum needed to live my life without impediments. I don't think the current vaccine administration makes sense though. The target should be vulnerable people.
I've lost more hours of healthy life to the side effects of the vaccine than I have to covid itself.

Well the football example was probably low risk for a healthy person going by private transport / on foot and not going to the pub which isn't obligatory.
The fans flying in, staying at B and Bs and really having to eat out. Well yes..

There was a frustratong lack of real world knowledge among the scientifically well qualified. That's what public health should encompass.

@RachC2021 hahaha don’t be daft.
You make no point whatsoever.

But, as we’re talking about paracetamol, do you think it remains as effective when you take it frequently? You can become immune to the affects of paracetamol. Which is my point. After a while, how affective will multiple vaccines be?

[quote CUniverse]@RachC2021 hahaha don’t be daft.
You make no point whatsoever.

But, as we’re talking about paracetamol, do you think it remains as effective when you take it frequently? You can become immune to the affects of paracetamol. Which is my point. After a while, how affective will multiple vaccines be?[/quote]
My point is that nobody thinks twice about taking multiple paracetamol per day for several days. In some cases for a week or more. It’s no big deal. Everyone understands they don’t actually work for very long. So why the problem with multiple injections? If they don’t last they don’t last and so need to be taken again.

You are making the point for me. At some point, they might become ineffective, so what is Plan B.

Also, who knows how the side effects will manifest in millions of people. There will be somebody side effect. It is inevitable. We just don't know what, but we will find out.

I am doing antibody testing now instead of boosters.

As omicron is mild, and the two jabs seem to still cover serious illness/ hospitalisation - I would like the opportunity to develop a broader range of antibodies than the vaccine offers. I dont want to be vaccine dependent if a worse strain comes along with a different spike.

If you work in NHS/ Social care sector then you may be eligible. I have only just ordered so am not sure of the depth of the results and how useful they will be - ie. Roche N / Roche S / T cell etc.

Privately its around £200 for Roche N & S and T cell.

If they manage to produce a vaccine that doesn't need to be injected, that might be very helpful in terms of messaging.

Everyone understands they don’t actually work for very long. So why the problem with multiple injections?

It's not cost effective, they produce side effects, they don't provide T cell immunity, to name few.

As omicron is mild, and the two jabs seem to still cover serious illness/ hospitalisation - I would like the opportunity to develop a broader range of antibodies than the vaccine offers.

That's how I feel too.

I'd rather develop longer lasting immunity from exposure to omicron than get boosted.

The side effects of the booster sound worse than the actual omicron infection for many.

The current boosters aren't even targeting the omicron variant!

Yes, I'm more than happy to have as many boosters as they recommend.

I have had three COVID jabs, a flu jab and actually had COVID all in the space of the last 8 months. I am not sure about the rush for a 4th, especially for a variant that is low risk and mild. If it really reduced transmission and if it could bring this to an end then perhaps. I would prefer if vaccines were given to other countries because regardless of how many jabs we have we will always be at risk from variants emerging especially in countries with low vaccination.

@FakeFruitShoot I was just coming on to say the same thing, I have been ill for a minimum of 6 days after each jab, longer after the first. I will not take a 4th it’s not worth it for me, I’m never ill the only time I have been ill in the last 5 years is after the jabs. I’m fit, I eat healthily, take vitamins, get a lot of fresh air and work out 5 times a week no matter what anyone says covid is not a risk to me and I have been satisfied with how my immune system has protected me against illness the rest of my adult life. 4 jabs in the space of 18 months is not necessary for me in my opinion so I won’t be having another.

Our 20 year old DD is having her booster on 29th Dec just down the road. Our ECV friend has been in touch today asking if he can meet DH the same day as he's having to travel here to have his 4th vaccine about the same time as DD.

nobody thinks twice about taking multiple paracetamol per day for several days. In some cases for a week or more.

I do. I think twice every time I take even one paracetamol. I'm always shocked at how casually many people I know treat taking painkillers.

Yes.