London

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Why isn’t London in a local lockdown or having different restrictions to other areas?
Last year some areas of country were under special measures for ages eg Bolton and Leicester
Why is it different now for London?
Regional prejudice and injustice as usual

Partly because local restrictions don't work - we learned that last Christmas.

Those of us in the north west and Leicester learned that a long time before Christmas...

What @eurochick said - hospitals aren't being overwhelmed by Covid. Dead bodies aren't piling up. Lots of people have Covid, but they're staying home, watching Netflix and ordering off Amazon.

LONDON WAS LOCKED DOWN LAST CHRISTMAS!!
Can’t people read? If the numbers point to an uncontrollable spike in hospital cases, it’ll happen again.
There is such an anti-London bias on Mumsnet who seem to think we all live in Chelsea, drive Range Rovers and have second homes in Cornwall/Cotswolds. That is a tiny number of Londoners and many of the rest can barely afford to live in one place.

Yes, some areas - like Leicester, which barely gets a mention, ever - had much lengthier restrictions

It is wrong to say London had none - it didn't have the most/longest, but not was it shortest/least, and it was tier 4 by Christmas last year.

I live in London. Last year Christmas was cancelled for us with less than a week’s notice. We had harsher restrictions than other parts of the country. The anti-London bias on MN is ludicrous.

@bookworm14

I live in London. Last year Christmas was cancelled for us with less than a week’s notice. We had harsher restrictions than other parts of the country. The anti-London bias on MN is ludicrous.

Agree

Plus op regional restrictions drive out cases to other areas

Hang on. London was the only area in Tier 4 last winter. Stop your competitive this and that.

@LynetteScavo

What *@eurochick* said - hospitals aren't being overwhelmed by Covid. Dead bodies aren't piling up. Lots of people have Covid, but they're staying home, watching Netflix and ordering off Amazon.

Deaths are much lower.

London hospitals have more patients than at 15/12 last year and very slightly more on ventilation (source, the London datastore)

As it takes a week or more for newly infected people to need admitting, then we're clearly going to be in for more rises from now until a week+ after the number of new infections starts to drop.

@NOTANUM

LONDON WAS LOCKED DOWN LAST CHRISTMAS!! Can’t people read? If the numbers point to an uncontrollable spike in hospital cases, it’ll happen again. There is such an anti-London bias on Mumsnet who seem to think we all live in Chelsea, drive Range Rovers and have second homes in Cornwall/Cotswolds. That is a tiny number of Londoners and many of the rest can barely afford to live in one place.

This. I’m a single 26 year old born and raised in London and currently still having to live with my parents whilst saving because I can’t afford to live independently despite having a good job and decent wage. Would love to know where everyone thought all the “Londoners” were escaping to last Christmas, most of us haven’t got a pot to piss in let alone a second home

@gogohm

Come on, it's London. Local restrictions are only for others! I'm still annoyed that last December we were tier 3 when London was tier 2, our covid rates were 1/3 of London's

And I'm still annoyed that we (in London) were in tier 4 when areas with higher case rates were still in tier 2 and 3.

I'd further comment that it's not all one way traffic. Lots of family members coming home to London for Christmas amongst my friends and colleagues.

Plus where we are it's deathly quiet out there. May as well be a lockdown as far as hospitality businesses are concerned. Central London may be a little different but I'm sure footfall is still significantly lower than 2019.

Anyway, there are much more effective and less divisive measures to put in place than local lockdowns.

@SquirmOfEels
“ London hospitals have more patients than at 15/12 last year and very slightly more on ventilation (source, the London datastore) ”

Source government data store for hospitals

And people in ventilation

Thanks for posting those Easter I thought pp sounded off

@SquirmOfEels

There are more people in hospitals with covid, but not necessarily people in hospital because of covid…

I had a baby last week in a London hospital, and the maternity ward has been split into 2, for covid and non covid patients

Because it’s ripped through the population, there are lots of women finding themselves with covid when giving birth but they obviously have to be admitted, and therefore count towards the stats

The same hospital also has covid wards in a&e and surgical for the same reason.

But the number of ventilated patients has gone up 2% while cases have gone up 50%, so there isn’t a clear correlation between cases and seriously ill patients at the current time

We got put into Tier 4 (full lockdown) last year on 20th with a few hours notice so erm yeah, they tried the crappy tier system with us too.

And anyway I thought it was supposed to be about hospital pressure? It sounds to me like our hospitals are generally under less pressure anyway. For the first time I had to use A&E about a month ago. I realise the situation will be worse now, but at the time I was reading MN threads with people waiting crazy times… we waited about half an hour.
Even last week I heard people in a shop talking about which hospital had what waiting time in A&E (it helps to have a choice of a number, all close enough) and they said the closest one was 2-3 hours wait.

Because omicron is milder. And it looks like the Government is going for herd immunity

London and the SE were under the strictest restrictions last Christmas, no mixing at all even on Christmas Day. So London was not exempt from any region-specific rules.

Come on, it's London. Local restrictions are only for others! I'm still annoyed that last December we were tier 3 when London was tier 2, our covid rates were 1/3 of London's

That's bullshit

This has really pissed me off. We couldn't have Christmas last year when much of the country could. I didn't wish it on the rest of the country because I'm not an arsehole. Could the rest of the country please stop congregating here disobeying the laws on public transport to whine about masks please.

@ThePlantsitter

This has really pissed me off. We couldn't have Christmas last year when much of the country could. I didn't wish it on the rest of the country because I'm not an arsehole. Could the rest of the country please stop congregating here disobeying the laws on public transport to whine about masks please.

Hope you know that not all people from outside London wish the worse for London…

@EasterIssland I do know this. Sometimes it doesn't feel like it though.

I think the North for example is horribly overlooked by the government but I 100% don't think Northerners have had it worse than Londoners over the pandemic - with the exception of Manchester which I know was in lockdown a LOT. I think it's been shit for everybody and we should try to be a bit nice to each other actually.

London is very multi cultural. I used to live there myself. Some cultures refuse the jabs. That is what needs addressing. If people choose not to have the jab then so be it but put restrictions on the unjabbed.

@gogohm

Come on, it's London. Local restrictions are only for others! I'm still annoyed that last December we were tier 3 when London was tier 2, our covid rates were 1/3 of London's

That wasn't long though....doing this from memory...London went into Tier 3 on 14th December? So everything closed and that didn't stop us going to lockdown anyway.

Why OP wants to wreck more businesses is beyond me.

I think the blame game is very sad to see.

Maybe OP is just lashing out after a bad day.

I live in South West London, it is empty.

Everyone has already gone to their family homes in the countryside.

There are usually one or two parking spaces available on our street, there are currently only three cars (probably room for 100).

Local restrictions don't work.

Why are we compatible the 15th last year seems to be a “pick a date that make my point”…we have up to date comparative data

22 2021 - 2036
22 2022 - 3559

So over 1000 more, London a week before the 22 December (15th) this yea had 27,600 cases, a year ago on 15th had 8809 cases!!! So given the week lag we can safety say it’s not having anything like the same strain on London hospitals as last year despite three times the number of cases. This will be why we haven’t cancelled Christmas in the capital (because the reason for lockdown is supposed to be to help the nhs not, because Leicester had it bad last year!)