When will there be an update?

[ShepherdMoons]

I thought yesterday they were going to give us the update about what will happen regarding restrictions?

I'd rather know than just be left in the dark. I don't mind whether we have a lockdown, circuit breaker or something else but I'd just like to know!

What the FUCK are they playing at? This uncertainty will play havoc with people's mental health.

I have no Xmas plans, but most people do!

TELL US!!!!

The scientists clearly want a lock down. It needs to happen now rather than in a weeks time. But Boris is more worried about his own position, and the wrath of his party if he imposed restrictions again. His position is already precarious and he has no concern about risking many lives to save his own skin. He is an utter shit of a man.
And before the pile on - I don’t want another lockdown and I really worry about the impact it will have on businesses and my own young adult dc. But I used to work for the NHS , and it’s unimaginable the stress staff must be under given the PMs inability to put the country first and make the unpopular but right decisions.

Haven’t most of the vulnerable had their boosters in the last few months? Doesn’t that present a risk that trying to delay this with lockdowns means that yeah you’ll have more younger people boosted but you’ll get an exit wave at the point the older and vulnerable are seeing their boosters start to wane? My parents are in their late 60s and had their boosters in September. I’d rather they encountered covid in December after 3 months than in February after 5.

I think the hint this morning that even Xmas day isn’t safe is a way to soften the blow. So if there are restrictions for just after Xmas people will just be relieved that Xmas day is ok.

Though I’m beginning to think if things are as dire as the scientists are saying maybe we shouldn’t wait for Xmas day as then we’ll be on a circuit breaker for longer. 🤷‍♀️ Rather go sooner and shorter.

I'm thinking of vulnerable people and older people. A lot of people are extremely vulnerable to the effects of lockdown and lack of social contact.

I think if people expect a circuit breaker to be effective or be it, they’re incredibly naive. If there are restrictions they’re going to be for the long haul again. The usual flu/winter/NHS on its knees stuff goes on till at least February. The backlog of other stuff grows and grows, it’s not going away. What would a circuit breaker be for. If it’s due to pressure on the NHS then nothing will be different in 2 weeks or 4 to be able to lift it.

If we go into no indoor mixing type restrictions it will be for months again, because it will take months for NHS pressures to ease.

That’s a really good point @RobinPenguins

I think we need to understand what we are locking down for. Delaying for everyone to have their boosters? When younger people will have a milder illness anyway? As I have seen at a recent party, boosters do not stop you catching Covid. They just make the symptoms milder.

We’re at risk of pushing this inevitable, huge wave of omicron to a time when boosters may start to be wearing off for the vulnerable.

I think we have to carry on as we are. If I was vulnerable I’d be cautious. For the rest of us, it may be inevitable that you are going to come in contact with this variant. Unless you put yourself in some self imposed lockdown.

Omicron will not disappear if we lockdown. It will come back with a vengeance the minute we open up again.

I read we don’t have much flu around this year? So that’s one positive. Not coping with a huge Covid wave as well as a flu wave.

@YellowandGreenToBeSeen

Surely any lockdown will be after 27th so people can get home? I’ll be travelling on the 27th - can’t catch trains on Boxing Day.

Shame that didn't apply to the travel restrictions to/from France and Germany then.

If a lockdown is needed then it is needed. Makes absolutely no sense to "let people get home for Christmas".

How long after Christmas do you suggest they leave it so that people can get home from wherever they travelled to?

But please can you try to remember that lockdowns also have an enormous effect on peoples health, finances, things such as DV, child abuse, mental health and much much more.

This. I can't actively advocate for any more lockdowns because of these reasons.

Crossed post with your second post @RobinPenguins but we’re basically saying the same thing.

What are we locking down for? For how long and why? What will change when we open up?

It’s really shit but lockdowns are not a long term solution.

When did the vulnerable start to be boosted? Aug/Sept? So you really want this wave to drag on until Feb/March? We need it to peak soon to be honest.

@Delatron

Crossed post with your second post *@RobinPenguins* but we’re basically saying the same thing.

What are we locking down for? For how long and why? What will change when we open up?

It’s really shit but lockdowns are not a long term solution.

Yes I was reluctantly fully on board with the first lockdown when we didn’t truly know what we were dealing with. Was a bit skeptical about the sections but maybe it would have had some effect if Alpha hadn’t come along. I completely understood the third lockdown which was for a really clear purpose - keep cases down while we get people vaccinated.

I’m not really on board with one that’s just for kicking the can down the road with no clear outcome. I hate that “ban indoor mixing” seems to have become seen as a reasonable policy lever and not an absolute nuclear option that all should be striving to never use again.

*sections=second

@RunnerDown

The scientists clearly want a lock down. It needs to happen now rather than in a weeks time. But Boris is more worried about his own position, and the wrath of his party if he imposed restrictions again. His position is already precarious and he has no concern about risking many lives to save his own skin. He is an utter shit of a man. And before the pile on - I don’t want another lockdown and I really worry about the impact it will have on businesses and my own young adult dc. But I used to work for the NHS , and it’s unimaginable the stress staff must be under given the PMs inability to put the country first and make the unpopular but right decisions.

Many people questioning which direction to go - lockdowns are dire solutions and will have massive negative impact

@percythewitch I don’t really understand the point (especially since France has closed its borders to UK holiday makers).

I agree that if restrictions are required, then implement them now / sooner rather than later.

@Delatron

Crossed post with your second post *@RobinPenguins* but we’re basically saying the same thing.

What are we locking down for? For how long and why? What will change when we open up?

It’s really shit but lockdowns are not a long term solution.

Yes what will charge?

Why would the Netherlands situation change much by Jan 15 so that omicron won’t just increase rapidly again

What then.. another in a few weeks

@JanglyBeads

* a meeting of COBRA!

@JanglyBeads “a sneering of COBRA” has to be the funniest, and sadly the most apt, typo of the year. Well done!

@percythewitch we have no control over other countries but the vast majority won't be leaving the uk for xmas
Not sure why are on red list its not like its not there already

Yes @RobinPenguins I was completely on board with first lockdown too. Should have been earlier. When faced with a novel virus.

Three vaccinations and two years later, Covid is going nowhere and we need a new long term plan.

Sad to see on here we’re back to ‘if you’re all good and stay in your houses for a couple of weeks the virus will disappear’

Why is everyone so short sighted? What will change in 2 weeks? Some more 18 year olds will have had their boosters. That will have zero impact on spread.

Let’s not drag this wave out and hit waning immunity for the vulnerable. That would be awful.

I don't think they "know"

Until very recently I thought it would be avoided at all costs. In the last 24 hours I'm not so sure.

Yes @MarshaBradyo I just wonder what the end goal to these lockdowns is?

Cases will shoot back up. You’re prolonging this shit!

@Legoninjago1

We already know they don't distinguish for the purposes of the figures.

Do we?

Numbers are reported of those who have Covid listed as a cause on a death certificate.

Judging from the new leaks I think they’re watching and waiting. If they suddenly bring in restrictions my guess is it will be no more than two households mixing or similar over Christmas. I just can’t see them suddenly dictating a hard lockdown in the next few days. They know people won’t adhere to it anyway.

(And now Germany has closed to British travellers!)

[quote DumplingsAndStew]@Legoninjago1

We already know they don't distinguish for the purposes of the figures.

Do we?

Numbers are reported of those who have Covid listed as a cause on a death certificate.[/quote]
Is it? I thought it was deaths within 28 days of a positive test? If that's not the case then great - puts my mind at rest on that at least.