Am I wrong to think people who say they aren't scared of Covid just aren't getting it?

[youhadmeatjello]

I know we've all had enough, I've really had enough. We travel in a few days and am just desperately trying not to catch covid so we can actually go forward with our plans.

But I'm so sick of friends and others saying 'oh I'm not scared of Covid anymore so I'm just living my life and not following the rules anymore'

Why can't people see that it's not about being scared of Covid, it's about the fragility of our infrastructure if lots of people are off sick? Do they not realise how many essential services could be impacted?

I'm not calling for a lockdown at all, I don't think it's the right course of action but I do think we should individually take a bit of responsibility and follow mask wearing etc at least.

And people who are saying 'the government have never been bothered about viruses etc before' - sure they have, they panic every time they think there's going to be a bad flu season. But people have forgotten that!

I'm just so frustrated that so many people can't see the bigger picture here, but maybe it's because I have many loved ones who work in essential services and I can already see the strain on them.

“ They were saying this about the original strain initially. Omicron has only been circulating for a few weeks, infection to hospital is about 2 weeks, serious illness and death a month, we simply don’t know yet how many people will need hospital, and even if that number is very tiny fraction of infection, the number of people who will be infected at once with current rates is going to be enormous, a small % of a very large number ca still be quite big. Add to this that hospitals are currently at 97% capacity..”

We’re in a completely different place now with better understanding and treatment. When my dh got ill, he was prescribed antibiotics to deal with an underlying infection that could lead to pneumonia pretty quickly.
There could possibly have had better outcomes for many with that treatment. Plus there are others too now.

People are already going out and about with covid. Visited two patients today, newly diagnosed with covid and both with health issues. One had gone shopping, the other on the school run. A further patient admitted that she was out and about, socialising. So I guess people are doing what they like. Sadly we couldn't check them over, advise what to do if they deteriorated or leave a sats probe with them. Complete waste of time and petrol.

@Waxonwaxoff0

I can see the bigger picture but I'm fed up with being told by those in power that it's my responsibility to protect essential services. It is not. It is down to those in power to protect those services, they haven't done it and now the public are getting blamed and having to restrict their lives AGAIN.

Yes! The NHS has been dragged down for years and now it's our fault for not "protecting" it?

Fuck off Tory bastards, we know you want to sell it off and make a fortune while the poor and disadvantaged struggle to afford health insurance.

So what about the NHS staff that are going to have to go through this all over again whilst you lot throw caution to the wind and live your best lives ? Yup nothing to do with us even though we vote this shower of s**t in year in year out then moan when it's not fit for purpose...

I'm going out for a Christmas night out with two nurses and a midwife tomorrow. They aren't hiding away, they are just like everyone else wanting to get on with their lives.

@Berlinkreuzberg

So what about the NHS staff that are going to have to go through this all over again whilst you lot throw caution to the wind and live your best lives ? Yup nothing to do with us even though we vote this shower of s**t in year in year out then moan when it's not fit for purpose...

I have 3 HCP in my immediate family and 2 who work in care homes. They're all going about their lives normally, planning normal Christmas events with family, travelling to see friend etc. I don't know what you think they are.. some kind of fabled beings who don't live a normal every day life outside of work!

I’ve got a friend staying who’s a front line HCP and she’s just come back from NY (where she went with 5 other front line HCPs).
So they’re not camped at work.

@HereticFanjo

Once we get more data and if it says Omicron truly is milder, they need to get rid of the self isolation rules once Omicron pushes Delta out. The rules are going to cause the issues rather than the virus itself.

We need to get rid of testing, never mind isolating.

@Effibreast

People are already going out and about with covid. Visited two patients today, newly diagnosed with covid and both with health issues. One had gone shopping, the other on the school run. A further patient admitted that she was out and about, socialising. So I guess people are doing what they like. Sadly we couldn't check them over, advise what to do if they deteriorated or leave a sats probe with them. Complete waste of time and petrol.

That’s awful.

When yuh say infection to hospital is two weeks how do you know that?

@DarknessAndLight

**Why can't people see that it's not about being scared of Covid, it's about the fragility of our infrastructure if lots of people are off sick? Do they not realise how many essential services could be impacted?

I totally agree with this, the hospitals in my area have declared a critical incident due to staff shortages, but people don't seem to take this situation into account, but what happens when someone in a serious accident is not able to get seen at a&e because there's not medical staff working? The infrastructure of our society is very delicate as you say, and we could surely all practice mask wearing and keep socially distant in public places without having too much impact in our day to day life. Very well said.

@LumosSolem

My mid 60s dad who was double vaxxed with AZ caught corona recently and it was no worse than a very mild flu or bad cold for him. I've never been scared of the virus myself and knowing mg dad recovered well makes me feel even more confident.

I can see the bigger picture of how my and so many others mental health has gone down the toilet, my DC are missing out on so much, and our government don't give a shit about either of those things so i just need to crack on living my life how I want to as best as I can. I'll never not see friends/family again.

thing is you dont know how it will affect you until you get. You arent your dad.

The thought that i could be in hospital very ill is enough to make me get it plus dont want to put loved ones through the worry, theres also the worry of long covid which nobody talks about much. Know someone with long covid and they some times they dont feel well at all or very fit, and have breathing difficulties.

"^^They need to stop making people isolate and people need to stop testing. That’s the only way any of this will stop. (And I say that as someone in the clinically extremely vulnerable group who also has a disabled child- I think people like myself need to shield as much as possible until it all calms down but otherwise people just need to get out there and get on with it). For the vast majority of people - even more so with the vaccines- covid is a mild illness and we seem to be forgetting this."

But if people don't isolate and stop testing, and we go back to normal, someone infected might go to hospital / GP / dentist/ optician, (places where someone shielding might have to visit) they would pass it on to the doctor /nurse etc who in turn passes it on to goodness know how many vulnerable people, is that really the way forward?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/6january2022

@BonnesVacances, I hear you and totally get what you're saying. The way people talk about their own or certain groups of people's struggles due to the pandemic but shout down other's struggles as if they really don't matter is pretty bleak.