I'm DONE with Covid, omicron and want to get on with my life - is anyone else with me?

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Honestly at this point I'm done with it, I'm surprised people are complying so much with mask wearing and everything else - I thought the vaccine was freedom. Turns out I was wrong.

I've had enough - I'm not wearing my mask indoors and hope if there's a lockdown every business keeps its doors open and boycotts the decision.

I'm really surprised people are being so compliant, even if they have natural immunity and have been jagged (I have now had Covid and both jabs)

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others and stopping life, constant anxiety, life I feel should be going on now. Enough sacrifices have been made.

Aware I'll get flamed, but at the end of my tether with all of this now.

There are plenty of diseases that kill people, we have to accept the death rate now enough is enough.

If you've been vaccinated then what else do you intend to do? If you haven't then more fool you.

Chris Witty: "There are several things we don't know - but all the things we do know are bad. It is moving at an absolutely phenomenal pace."

OP: "I am DONE with Covid, Omicron..."

@TheKeatingFive

If you think that's an OK situation you are either dumb or incredibly naive.

Neither is it an OK situation to shut down great swathes of businesses, deny children education, deprive people of basic human interaction, stop people from seeing close family/friends so we can keep propping the nhs up to a barely functioning level.

The vast majority were prepared to do that as a short term measure back in March 2020. But now, almost 2 years later accept it as an ongoing way of life? No.

We will have to radically rethink expectations from state healthcare. This was probably coming anyway, but covid has massively exacerbated the situation.

But the answer is to have these difficult conversations now, not condemn everyone to leading much reduced lives to kid ourselves that what we have is still viable.

It's hard to do business or be educated when you are dead though.

Be under no illusion, if the healthcare system is overwhelmed or collapses that will be a much harder, sharper shock to the country than businesses closing or schools going online, as difficult and problematic as those things are.

I'm with you! Where we meeting and will I need a coat?

@Cornettoninja yep. Especially if those people are old or CV, it seems.

@SLH2003

I'm with you! Where we meeting and will I need a coat?

And a packed lunch.

@chequerboard nah, I think it's far more complex than 'wear a mask or people will die of cancer.'

The fact that the NHS possibly isn't fit for purpose is on the government, ultimately.
You and others like you just want to berate people who don't agree with you and when they continue to disagree, you'll resort to classic mumsnet 'you sound a bit thick' type insults.

even if it's costing lives and overwhelming the NHS perhaps we just need to accept that now

Can I just mention that it's not about wanting to accept this, but that we may simply have no choice. Having thrown practically all we've got at the issue - and at the cost of everything else - we now have one of many future variants and we're no further forward with the doomsday forecasts

We all know perfectly well what this will probably do to the NHS, but the NHS is effectively finished anyway and I wonder about the wisdom of trashing all else to protect a failed system

I'm also thinking more and more about the view of an epidemiologist in the family who considers this a "balancing up" after decades spent keeping folk alive way beyond their natural lifespan. It's not a view I find attractive, mainly because every one of those lives is still precious, but I do wonder if he has a point

*Chris Witty: "There are several things we don't know - but all the things we do know are bad. It is moving at an absolutely phenomenal pace."

OP: "I am DONE with Covid, Omicron..."*

This isn't true either though, is it? The evidence so far still suggests that this variant is comparable to a 'severe cold.'

@AutumnAlmanack If you're so serious about the pandemic, have you yet to discover the research on fomite vs aerosol transmission and the concomitant relative uselessness of disposable gloves?

I fully agree with you 100%! I'm sick of having it all literally rammed down my throat 24/7/365 on emails, social media, newspapers etc. and all the condescending patronizing ''don't forget to wash your hands'' ''don't forget to social distance'' rubbish, how can we forget when it's always thrown at us?! The only reason I wear a mask in shops etc. is because I don't want to be arrested and treated like the lowest of the lowest but I wouldn't bother if it wasn't for that, and masks have been proven to be ineffective anyway! I know people are dying/becoming ill because of various viruses but it's been like that since time began, people get ill and die, the living have to live! I've had pneumonia 3 times over the years and I honestly think that's far worse a condition than the c and o-virus. I also had septicaemia that gave me 48 hours to live if they couldn't catch it in time, again, it was far worse than these 2 viruses! Flu and chest infections are worse! I've had jabs 1 and 2, can't get a appointment for a booster as everyone is clambering for them, I've tested negative for C-virus etc. so why should I be forced to rearrange my life when I've had jabs, wearing masks etc? ESPECIALLY when 1/2 the government are constantly breaking rules and laws they created!

The fact that the NHS possibly isn't fit for purpose is on the government

Regardless of the truth of this statement, how does that help us in the face of an imminent influx of demand?

I’m all for discussions and actual movement to solve the healthcare issues in this country but that doesn’t achieve anything while we’re actually experiencing a disaster. This isn’t really the moment for talking about ideas, we need tangible actions.

We can’t magic up trained staff out of no where, we can’t even buy them in so where does that leave us? There isn’t an option for healthcare provision to be expanded significantly so we look to the factors left to consider for easing the burden on healthcare.

Ignoring the reality of the situation to push for discussions about abstract solutions is the ultimate example of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

@WhatHoJeeves

I am so done with the people who are done.

I am clearly a masochist as I keep taking a look at these ridiculous threads and then my blood pressure soars at the utter stupidity bashing heads with the reasoned argument. I know the two sides will never agree. No amount of fact or logic works. Endless arguments to no avail.

Have to stop torturing myself as I'm losing faith in humanity.

I read them partly to try to understand what people are thinking, and to see how to deal with the arguments, as I have come across it sometimes in real life. In real life, obviously, it doesn't help if you just laugh in incredulity when your neighbour uses one of these lines like "moving the goalposts", "been patient enough" or whatever. I like to think that if you point out how you see it, even if they are obviously not going to say "Oh, now you put it that way I take back what I said earlier and am now all in favour of that policy", at least it might sow a tiny seed of doubt or realisation that the line is not a huge hit with everyone, and they might not use it quite as often or stridently.

(And in real life my neighbour is pretty unlikely to start swearing at me if I challenge her opinion!)

@Bigbum562021 you do know pneumonia, septicaemia along with kidney failure are really common complications from covid? What do you think people are in hospital for?

@Cornettoninja

The fact that the NHS possibly isn't fit for purpose is on the government

Regardless of the truth of this statement, how does that help us in the face of an imminent influx of demand?

I’m all for discussions and actual movement to solve the healthcare issues in this country but that doesn’t achieve anything while we’re actually experiencing a disaster. This isn’t really the moment for talking about ideas, we need tangible actions.

We can’t magic up trained staff out of no where, we can’t even buy them in so where does that leave us? There isn’t an option for healthcare provision to be expanded significantly so we look to the factors left to consider for easing the burden on healthcare.

Ignoring the reality of the situation to push for discussions about abstract solutions is the ultimate example of cutting your nose off to spite your face.

You are quite right but my point was, it's rather poisonous to blame the general public for stopping cancer patients from accessing treatment.

@Bigbum562021

I fully agree with you 100%! I'm sick of having it all literally rammed down my throat 24/7/365 on emails, social media, newspapers etc. and all the condescending patronizing ''don't forget to wash your hands'' ''don't forget to social distance'' rubbish, how can we forget when it's always thrown at us?! The only reason I wear a mask in shops etc. is because I don't want to be arrested and treated like the lowest of the lowest but I wouldn't bother if it wasn't for that, and masks have been proven to be ineffective anyway! I know people are dying/becoming ill because of various viruses but it's been like that since time began, people get ill and die, the living have to live! I've had pneumonia 3 times over the years and I honestly think that's far worse a condition than the c and o-virus. I also had septicaemia that gave me 48 hours to live if they couldn't catch it in time, again, it was far worse than these 2 viruses! Flu and chest infections are worse! I've had jabs 1 and 2, can't get a appointment for a booster as everyone is clambering for them, I've tested negative for C-virus etc. so why should I be forced to rearrange my life when I've had jabs, wearing masks etc? ESPECIALLY when 1/2 the government are constantly breaking rules and laws they created!

Do you understand that Covid can lead to both pneumonia and sepsis? Do you remember how ill you felt? I'd ask my friend's sister how she felt when she ended up with both of those as a result of Covid but unfortunately she's dead.

You're very unlikely to be arrested for not wearing a mask in a shop but you are also very wrong about masks - plenty of evidence they are effective. Very easy to find. So why not cheer yourself up with that thought - not only have you avoided the chance of being arrested, you're protecting others in the shop too, and yourself.

I mean, the government are absolute cunts, I'm with you there, but I'm not going to extend a pandemic just because they're arrogant twits.

We will have to radically rethink expectations from state healthcare. This was probably coming anyway, but covid has massively exacerbated the situation

But the answer is to have these difficult conversations now, not condemn everyone to leading much reduced lives to kid ourselves that what we have is still viable

Accurately put as usual, Keating
To quote a PP, nobody imagines being denied even emergency health care to be an "OK situation" - though plenty have tolerated being unable to access even routine care for years - but if the ever-worsening predictions are right then that's the situation we're in

Even the best system was never going to be able to save everyone from everything all the time, but maybe the real issue isn't so much what's happening now as that this has been ignored for too long

@WhatHoJeeves

I am so done with the people who are done.

I am clearly a masochist as I keep taking a look at these ridiculous threads and then my blood pressure soars at the utter stupidity bashing heads with the reasoned argument. I know the two sides will never agree. No amount of fact or logic works. Endless arguments to no avail.

Have to stop torturing myself as I'm losing faith in humanity.

Yes this is totally me as well! I get so maddened by it. The people who are 'done' never, ever listen to reason but just continue stamping their little foot and spouting idiocy. And it's costing lives. My friend died because of a delayed operation due to covid. My friend died partly because people are 'done'. I'm also so done with people who are done.

it's rather poisonous to blame the general public for stopping cancer patients from accessing treatment

@HailAdrian you’re right, it’s pointless squabbling but I do see the progression to someone making their point in that way. Ignoring the realities of transmission and it’s affect on healthcare provision does put more pressure on an already creaking system for people who likely don’t have much of a choice but to use what’s there.

@EmmaOvary

It doesn't seem to occur to a lot of people that the only reason the NHS wasn't TOTALLY overwhelmed up to this point (and it came close) is BECAUSE of lockdowns and other measures. So much cognitive dissonance on MN - "if lockdowns worked, why is Covid still here?" etc. Does anyone not remember the sad scenes from Italy last year? Stories of families having to store dead family members' bodies because funeral homes were full up? The army brought in to deal with corpses? Field medicine where those over a certain age were sacrificed so efforts could be focused on those more likely to survive?

We only escaped this by the skin of our teeth.

Exactly! I just don't understand the cognitive dissonance:

'Mummy said I'd get cold so she FORCED me to wear a coat. And I didn't even get cold! Wearing a coat made no difference! There's no way I'm complying with that again.'

I’m all for discussions and actual movement to solve the healthcare issues in this country but that doesn’t achieve anything while we’re actually experiencing a disaster. This isn’t really the moment for talking about ideas, we need tangible actions

Once again I agree, Cornettoninja; it's just that I'm not convinced any tangible actions we can take in the short term will make much overall difference now

Obviously we can't magic up an effective health system overnight, so sadly in the meantime more very aged and CEV folk are likely to die (and some previously healthy ones too)

Do people really think their loved ones are dying because people are fed up with covid and a few of them aren't wearing masks? I mean, it's only recently become mandatory again. I suppose I'm not surprised that some people have this mindset, thinking back to the beginning when they were calling others 'murderers' for leaving their houses.

Do you care about all covid victims equally or were some of them also 'selfish and stupid' for taking risks?

I'm not convinced any tangible actions we can take in the short term will make much overall difference now

Me neither tbh. The virility of omicron seems unlikely to be responsive to previously implemented measures. I think now is about minimising the impact of the blow as much as we can, there’s still going to be a hefty punch though.

Although I should say ‘possibly’. I would love nothing more than to be wrong, early indicators from SA to be entirely correct and for there to be significantly less impact from omicron than expected. I will never understand though, how some people expect forward planning to be based on the most optimistic outcome, that’s not how planning works.

This argument that operations are not going ahead because of Covid. Why? Are surgeons and specialists all working in ICU? Surely that makes no sense at all. They have special skills particular to their own field. ICU can’t be full of every doctor and nurse and specialist who would normally be employed elsewhere.

@HailAdrian

Do people really think their loved ones are dying because people are fed up with covid and a few of them aren't wearing masks? I mean, it's only recently become mandatory again. I suppose I'm not surprised that some people have this mindset, thinking back to the beginning when they were calling others 'murderers' for leaving their houses.

Do you care about all covid victims equally or were some of them also 'selfish and stupid' for taking risks?

I think that the blocking of ICUs by unvaccinated covid patients has cost many lives.

I think that the general 'done' ethos of the British public contributes to the whole situation.

I don't think using the whole 'murderer' rhetoric was ever helpful, but I do think it's ok to call people out on selfishness, although I realise that's become a dirty word too.

I do know that my friend's operation was delayed because the ICU was full of people with covid, mostly unvaxxed. And I know she is now dead. I also know these things are nuanced, but I do not discount any links, no.

I can't be selfless anymore and keep getting boosters to protect others

Why not?