Why are we not in lockdown right now?!

[InkyPinkyParlezVous]

If things are as bad as they say, why are we not locking down right now?

Surely waiting til after Christmas is just too late to stop this "tidal wave"

And what those in ivory towers seem to also forget is if you push the economy further down, ruin public services, render people unemployed.....it will eventually catch up with YOU too.

Prepare for the endless futility of not getting through to an assistant on the phone, calling an ambulance or the police, getting your roof fixed, catching a delivery slot, dealing with an unexpected stroke or heart attack, etc.
Unless you are extremely protected in a magic bubble, it will eventually affect everyone.

I recall that in the great plague (which covid is not, quite) the wealthy took off to the rural areas to escape the disease in the urban areas. As more and more working people died, these wealthy folks could find little to no staff to wipe their arses (modern day equivalent would be plumbers, roofers, bin men, cleaners, ocado drivers).
Eventually, the well off had to bend to the request of very high wages to snag a cook or servant. It truly did, for a time, level the land.

Everything catches up. You can't rape either the poor or the earth indefinitely.

How much longer are people going to believe someone , somewhere ( not them ! ) is not doing as they are told and that's why people are catching covid ??
There will be no lockdown because it does sod all except for delaying the inevitable .
No one can afford it and no one will comply .
Please do not confuse lockdown with vulnerable people shielding .
Enough is enough now , it seems a crime these days to admit to being healthy and wanting to live your life.

@Rocket1982

There is not and never has been an option that involves people locking down pre Christmas. It is impossible.

Last year the Tories could have avoided the Christmas shitshow. There was a shut down in November which was then relaxed in December, just in time for the pandemic to peak again right before Christmas leaving no other option than a lockdown. Had lesser restrictions remained in place through December, Christmas mixing would have been possible,

I'm referring to 2021 only. 2020 is different as there wasn't the same level of fatigue.

I'm referring to 2021 only. 2020 is different as there wasn't the same level of fatigue

or vaccines.

@beatrixpotterspencil

I'm referring to 2021 only. 2020 is different as there wasn't the same level of fatigue

or vaccines.

Well I think vaccines are bound up a bit with fatigue too. People were willing to sacrifice on the understanding that the vaccines meant it wouldn't be asked again.

People were willing to sacrifice on the understanding that the vaccines meant it wouldn't be asked again.

Sorry, but how can there ever be an 'understanding' like that? Nobody can predict how the virus will mutate other than it will mutate. It may become milder, it may become more severe, it may become vaccine resistant. Without vaccines, delta and omicron would have been far worse but no vaccine is perfect and there is no guarantee that the next variant won't evade vaccines completely. People need to keep a flexible attitude and realise that no such 'bargains' can be made when you are dealing with an unpredictable virus. Most likely at some point in the coming couple of years we will get out of this situation, because that is what has most likely happened with novel coronaviruses in the past. But again, there are no guarantees.

Nobody will adhere to a lockdown now let me rephrase that for you. “Selfish people who care only about themselves will not adhere to a lockdown” people who are able to put the lives of others who need an nhs bed will.

@MyDcAreMarvel

Nobody will adhere to a lockdown now let me rephrase that for you. “Selfish people who care only about themselves will not adhere to a lockdown” people who are able to put the lives of others who need an nhs bed will.

Oh, give over.

Nobody's going to be guilted by the tired 'selfish' arguments anymore.

Try something else.

from guardian toda

*Young’s chief executive, Patrick Dardis, said a surge in cancellations for Christmas bookings would be dire for the hospitality sector, which relies heavily on the holiday season for its earnings.

He said the mixed messaging from government about risks and restrictions was leaving patrons “terribly confused” about whether to keep their bookings at a time when restaurants and pubs were already “hanging on by their fingernails”.

While the prime minister, Boris Johnson, struck an upbeat note about the rollout of the booster programme, England’s chief medical officer, Prof Chris Whitty, sent a clear message on Wednesday that people should cut back on socialising in the runup to Christmas, despite a lack of formal restrictions on group gatherings.

“Unfortunately, with the latest fear campaign that’s being run, it’s damaging so many businesses that could have possibly survived, and as a consequence, thousands and thousands of businesses will now collapse in January”, Dardis told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“There are a lot of individual owner-operators who’ve been running their businesses for years and have thrown the kitchen sink – people have lost their marriages, they’re losing their livelihoods, and this is the last straw. This is the bit that they were desperately clinging on to and it’s been taken away from them without any support from government,” he added*

It’s 2020 all over again! Are people cutting and pasting from old threads?! Soon we’ll have posters shrieking about touching gateposts and unnecessary journeys to get -Easter Eggs- mince pies.

I agree with you, there, Rocket1982. The virus doesn’t care what any government does. It’s gonna spread, it’s gonna mutate, it’s gonna be a bugger. No one can possibly say, “You will need x jabs and it will all end on March 22nd.” We just have to trudge through it.

Almost 89k cases today

Anybody wanting lockdown does realise you can impose your own lockdiwn on yourself don't you?

You can stay indoors, don't mix, take 30 mins exercise each day, avoid pubs, restart,
gatherings and non essential shops, you don't have to wait to be told.

God that's all we need - more hysteria. Here's an idea - away in your house, lock the door, barricade the windows and make sure you stay put. And give everyone else peace.

*restaurants

@Rocket1982

People were willing to sacrifice on the understanding that the vaccines meant it wouldn't be asked again.

Sorry, but how can there ever be an 'understanding' like that? Nobody can predict how the virus will mutate other than it will mutate. It may become milder, it may become more severe, it may become vaccine resistant. Without vaccines, delta and omicron would have been far worse but no vaccine is perfect and there is no guarantee that the next variant won't evade vaccines completely. People need to keep a flexible attitude and realise that no such 'bargains' can be made when you are dealing with an unpredictable virus. Most likely at some point in the coming couple of years we will get out of this situation, because that is what has most likely happened with novel coronaviruses in the past. But again, there are no guarantees.

People not only don't need to, they aren't. There is a limit to the willingness to sacrifice. This is all bound up with why lockdown would not be observed now.

Good to see that we're still here with the totally limited black and white thinking and the calling people selfish. Still.

So we're just supposed to put up with the businesses being trashed, education deprioritised, mental health on the scrap heap, lost time with loved ones as the new normal now and if we question or object to that we're selfish. 🙄

What a great way of bringing people round to your cause.

Because there is no need

@MyDcAreMarvel

Nobody will adhere to a lockdown now let me rephrase that for you. “Selfish people who care only about themselves will not adhere to a lockdown” people who are able to put the lives of others who need an nhs bed will.

Well this "selfish" person won't. I adhered to lockdowns before, did everything I was asked to do. Did you care about me and thousands like me who were told last Christmas that we couldn't mix with others whilst we faced our first Christmas without our loved ones( both parent's in my case)? No, I suspect you only cared about YOUR family and the impact on YOU. which makes you a "selfish person who care's only about themselves", see we are all "selfish" when it comes down to it.

I've started to enjoy observing the hypocrisy and lack of self awareness that invariably goes along with accusations of selfishness. It's pretty funny.

Sorry, but how can there ever be an 'understanding' like that?

It was played out on here in full technicolour last winter.

People feeling the effects of lockdown, questioning the sacrifices made, sick of the many problems being deprioritised.

Cue the usual suspects on here, urging them to stay the course for the vaccines, just a few more months/weeks, just wait till all the adult population has been offered a jab, and so on.

If you didn't realise that this was the emotional 'deal' people were entering into when they locked down last winter then more fool you,

@MyDcAreMarvel

Nobody will adhere to a lockdown now let me rephrase that for you. “Selfish people who care only about themselves will not adhere to a lockdown” people who are able to put the lives of others who need an nhs bed will.

It could just as easily be said that those who want the lockdowns are the most selfish ones, it really depends on which way you want to look at it.

People who want lockdown are either just over anxious, or have a genuine worry about their own health or that of a person they love. But those people are only thinking of themselves and the risk to them, which understandably feels like the most important thing in the world to them. They give no consideration to the many, wide ranging harms that are caused by lockdown and don’t care about the people who would suffer because of one.

That is equally if not more selfish.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

How much longer are people going to believe someone , somewhere ( not them ! ) is not doing as they are told and that's why people are catching covid ?? There will be no lockdown because it does sod all except for delaying the inevitable . No one can afford it and no one will comply . Please do not confuse lockdown with vulnerable people shielding . Enough is enough now , it seems a crime these days to admit to being healthy and wanting to live your life.

Exactly this.

*People need to keep a flexible attitude and realise that no such 'bargains' can be made when you are dealing with an unpredictable virus.

You advocated 'shutting down social mixing' a few posts back, yet now you're lecturing others about not having a 'flexible attitude'?

I was advocating shutting down social mixing for 7 days so that people won't be banned from mixing at Christmas! I think restrictions should be at the minimum possible level that stops the NHS getting further into the s**t than it already is. Unfortunately omicron is a giant curve ball and though it looked like we would be able to get through the winter with some fairly minimal restrictions, now that is looking very unlikely

@LethargicActress

100000000% agree.