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Why are we not in lockdown right now?!

330 replies

InkyPinkyParlezVous · 16/12/2021 12:18

If things are as bad as they say, why are we not locking down right now?

Surely waiting til after Christmas is just too late to stop this "tidal wave"

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Rocket1982 · 16/12/2021 15:11

I also get pretty mad when yet again we have those bellowing for lockdown who, if they undertook full disclosure, would be pretty comfortable with all it entails, just so long as the serfs keep serving them.

That is still rude. Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else, as acting early is key in a wave of infection for preventing much more severe and damaging restrictions later.

NoNameHere12 · 16/12/2021 15:17

My business will go under if there is another lockdown. It supports me and my 2 school aged children.

There is no financial support!

the80sweregreat · 16/12/2021 15:19

I do agree that the economy doing well and thriving is a very good thing for the NHS.
It's just basic economics.
The problems come when the NHS reaches saturation status by a pandemic , what do they do then? I think they are just hoping it doesn't happen and winging it for now : people will risk assess their own Christmas and meet ups and there are masks and other restrictions in place too. It is sort of ' lockdown very lite ' at the moment.
It'll be the ones who ignore every single rule or won't get a vaccine or boosters or wear a face covering who will shout the loudest when the NHS isn't there for them if they become poorly from covid or something else , if it does become overwhelmed by covid . You could put money on it. It is a dilemma.
Ok

MarleneDietrichsSmile · 16/12/2021 15:20

Because, OP, they have instead manipulated us into locking ourselves down…

Whosaidthattt · 16/12/2021 15:22

People are locking down by choice. I am in Central London and it is deserted. I have never known it to be so quiet a week before Christmas. The tubes and buses have very few people travelling on them too. It feels quite eery!

ToodlePipPop · 16/12/2021 15:22

How do you propose persuading people who have had 3 vaccinations (and in many cases already had Covid) that they need to shut themselves away again?

This.

ToodlePipPop · 16/12/2021 15:23

@Whosaidthattt

People are locking down by choice. I am in Central London and it is deserted. I have never known it to be so quiet a week before Christmas. The tubes and buses have very few people travelling on them too. It feels quite eery!
I'm in Manchester and it's the opposite! Been heaving whenever I've been in.
Theonlyoneiknow · 16/12/2021 15:24

This time a year ago = lockdown, no vaccines.

How can they lockdown again a year later after vaccines have been rolled out?! Makes no sense, if they do what has been the point in having a vaccine and doing your bit for society?!

beatrixpotterspencil · 16/12/2021 15:25

@Rocket1982

I also get pretty mad when yet again we have those bellowing for lockdown who, if they undertook full disclosure, would be pretty comfortable with all it entails, just so long as the serfs keep serving them.

That is still rude. Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else, as acting early is key in a wave of infection for preventing much more severe and damaging restrictions later.

this post presumes that working class and 'serfs' are ignoring rules?

A person can be against lockdown and make safe decisions, wear masks and socially distance. Why such polarity of judgement? There are nuances of behaviour and acceptance throughout society.

I also take it 'they' are of course not 'you'. You are special, you are different.

Theonlyoneiknow · 16/12/2021 15:25

And if Israel is anything to go by (now on 4th jab) ? then people will start to comply with the vaccination programme less and less - IMHO if lockdowns are still being a threat.

beatrixpotterspencil · 16/12/2021 15:27

@Theonlyoneiknow

This time a year ago = lockdown, no vaccines.

How can they lockdown again a year later after vaccines have been rolled out?! Makes no sense, if they do what has been the point in having a vaccine and doing your bit for society?!

but but but i want to stay in my ivory tower with my cars my money, my perfect babies and my dogs! I don't want to touch a prole on public transport. I probably have a second home though, so if they persist with a long lockdown i will stamp my cross little feet!

/s

ToodlePipPop · 16/12/2021 15:29

Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else

And all the people who can't afford tighter restrictions with no financial support anymore?

It's easy to say. But when you're self employed or working in a business that is likely to close with no furlough to fall back on, why would you pay attention to or respect further restrictions?

"For the greater good" doesn't put food on your table or pay your bills. At the end of the day most people will prioritise the latter when it comes down to it.

the80sweregreat · 16/12/2021 15:32

People will ignore lockdowns because they don't trust the government. I think it's as simple as that now.

Rocket1982 · 16/12/2021 15:33

*"That is still rude. Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else, as acting early is key in a wave of infection for preventing much more severe and damaging restrictions later."

this post presumes that working class and 'serfs' are ignoring rules?

A person can be against lockdown and make safe decisions, wear masks and socially distance. Why such polarity of judgement? There are nuances of behaviour and acceptance throughout society.

I also take it 'they' are of course not 'you'. You are special, you are different.*

And where did I imply that I think 'serfs' are the ones breaking the rules?! That is just ridiculous. People ignoring restrictions, not wearing face masks on crowded buses, are from all parts of society, and no they are not all medically exempt.

Keke94LND · 16/12/2021 15:38

@WheelieBinPrincess

Obviously if pubs and theatres and restaurants were all closed I’d be gutted but have no choice not go to them.

I would go to see my friends. Indoors. I would travel on a train to see my family. I would invite people to my house.

I don’t have a granny, she’s dead of cancer. And I’m sorry to say but there’s a limit to how long I’m expected to care about a stranger’s granny.

I have cared, I complied with previous lockdowns, I got vaccinated. But sorry random granny, that’s enough from me.

The kill a granny argument is ridiculous now.

And for the record, my granny's wouldn't want you to give up your life for them. One of my grandmas is 92 and the other 86, they have been throughly depressed over lockdown, like genuine depression (ofcourse they don't understand that it is depression) they have cried and I have never seen them cry before! This is all so bad for the elderly as well :( no more lockdowns!!
BoredZelda · 16/12/2021 15:41

Lockdowns didn't work before, in any real way, and the costs are huge-- not just economic.

So we just imagined a massive drop in case numbers did we?

The lockdown did what it was supposed to. NHS wasn’t overwhelmed (which was the whole point of lockdown) and deaths were lower than they otherwise would have been.

It was what did or didn’t happen next that was the problem.

earsup · 16/12/2021 15:44

Every where in london is so quiet so seems people have already stayed home etc...shops very quiet in central london....friends in hospitality say lots of cancellations so many staff already sent home etc....no need for govt to do anything.

earsup · 16/12/2021 15:46

@Whosaidthattt

People are locking down by choice. I am in Central London and it is deserted. I have never known it to be so quiet a week before Christmas. The tubes and buses have very few people travelling on them too. It feels quite eery!
yes same here....but the westfield shopping centre in stratford is heaving and very few in masks....again....!!...security do not enforce any rules there !
juicingqueen74 · 16/12/2021 15:46

I think because there is no majority in parliament to pass through restrictions. It's politics not economy or lives. When it breaks for Christmas on Friday, Boris may be able to pass restrictions and ratify it retrospectively in January when Parliament returns. He had no majority and a huge Tory back bench rebellion on his hands. The economy is breaking just by the presence of omicron and peoples lives are being ruined lockdown or not. The NHS is also on its knees and I want to do my bit to support those on the front line who are underfunded and broken by years of Tory rule. It's very bleak out there. I have never trusted the government during covid, they have messed it up repeatedly and sadly my 7 year old could have done better. So people have to look in their own hearts and think we are in this alone now with no leadership what are we comfortable with and how do we want to effect our fellow man? It becomes personal because we have all had different experiences, wants and expectations.

Ohnomoreno · 16/12/2021 15:48

Lockdown is not some sort of free ticket to nirvana. It has huge downsides. The government has none of our money left to spend, so another lockdown would be a combo of more tax increases, and more quantitative easing, which doesn't really work because of the impact on inflation and therefore standard of living.

MarshaBradyo · 16/12/2021 15:49

@Ohnomoreno

Lockdown is not some sort of free ticket to nirvana. It has huge downsides. The government has none of our money left to spend, so another lockdown would be a combo of more tax increases, and more quantitative easing, which doesn't really work because of the impact on inflation and therefore standard of living.
People seem a bit blind to to huge costs that will hit us due to lockdowns

Requesting them is crazy imo

Badbadbunny · 16/12/2021 15:54

@ToodlePipPop

Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else

And all the people who can't afford tighter restrictions with no financial support anymore?

It's easy to say. But when you're self employed or working in a business that is likely to close with no furlough to fall back on, why would you pay attention to or respect further restrictions?

"For the greater good" doesn't put food on your table or pay your bills. At the end of the day most people will prioritise the latter when it comes down to it.

I agree, the 3 million self employed/freelancers who were excluded from support last time certainly won't be keen on any new restrictions.
IcedPurple · 16/12/2021 16:02

@Rocket1982

Pray do tell how you are going to shut down the economy

Not shut down the economy but shut down social mixing.

"Shut down social mixing"?

How do you propose to do that without destroying whole swathes of the economy at what is normally their most busy time of the year?

And how are you going to police 'social mixing' in people's homes? At Christmas? Other than in certain corners of MN, nobody is going to stay away from their families for another Christmas, so you'd need police on every street corner.

Speaking of 'shutting down social mixing' so casually is somewhat chilling. Good thing it won't be tolerated.

beatrixpotterspencil · 16/12/2021 16:02

@the80sweregreat

People will ignore lockdowns because they don't trust the government. I think it's as simple as that now.
I can despise the gov as well as keeping myself safe. I wouldnt ignore safety to spite a gov that dont give a shit if i am dead or alive Anyone throwing wild parties to spite boris is an asshole.

that said, i agree with pp's who say vaccines were a way out of lockdowns, so we do have to move forward with society being able to function again.

Only those who are very financially secure, living somewhere lovely and not needing to learn anything new or access services could possibly want more lockdowns. This would include wealthy boomer aged people with no special needs children and a perfect home/car situation.

JuergenSchwarzwald · 16/12/2021 16:05

Nobody wants a lockdown but all the people ignoring restrictions and making impossible for the government to introduce tighter restrictions and have them respected are just making things worse for themselves and everyone else, as acting early is key in a wave of infection for preventing much more severe and damaging restrictions later

For goodness sake, we don't need a lockdown right now but if we did it wouldn't be because people aren't following the rules, serfs or otherwise, it's because of the new strain.

Exactly as last year, when Alpha started spreading.

I do wish people would stop blaming this on others not following rules. It's utter nonsense.