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When they say that 5-11 year olds can have the vaccine.. will your 5-11 year old be having it?

221 replies

Dayrider · 15/12/2021 21:54

They have put this through in USA so guessing it will come soon here.
I would have it for my DD but my husband doesn’t want her to.
What are you going to do?

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Marynotsocontrary · 16/12/2021 13:18

@RandomKettle500

Marynotsocontrary I wasn’t specifically referring to flu. I was trying to explain what efficacy means. In a trial of 100,000 people, it doesn’t matter whether 1, 500, or all people get the disease in the placebo group, if there are no cases in the vaccine group it is still called 100% effective because there would be 100% fewer cases, EVEN IF only one case of flu/covid/tetanus whatever disease the vaccine relates to occurred in the placebo group.
It does matter RandomKettle500, in the sense theat the trial would not be deemed successful if Pfizer were looking at figures like 1 in the placebo group vs 0 in the vaccine group. They'd have to recruit again for larger numbers in that instance. The numbers of people who were ill in the Covid trial were sufficient to draw conclusions.
Remmy123 · 16/12/2021 13:28

@MrsHerculePoirot a 7 year old should be playing with his nerf gun .. not having to worry about 'doing his bit' that's what I find sad.

roses2 · 16/12/2021 13:32

Nope and even if I wanted to give it to them, if it's a needle then then would both needed to be pinned down screaming for the injection.

RandomKettle500 · 16/12/2021 13:37

Marynotsocontrary

You think 14 and 3 positive cases out of over 2000 constitute a successful trial on which to conclude over 90% efficacy???

Nsmum14 · 16/12/2021 13:46

No way.

BestZebbie · 16/12/2021 13:54

Wrt to it being untested....firstly, it isn't. But also, by the time anyone is prepared to jab young children here, vast numbers of children of the sane ages in the USA will have had it - you can look there to see what the risks are(n't).

JohnnyCashcard · 16/12/2021 14:01

Yes, 100%. My teen has been vaccinated already and I'm keen for my younger DC to be too.

Marynotsocontrary · 16/12/2021 14:46

@RandomKettle500

Marynotsocontrary

You think 14 and 3 positive cases out of over 2000 constitute a successful trial on which to conclude over 90% efficacy???

What I'm suggesting is, unless we are expert and can speak with authority on medical trials and/or statistics, we need to let the scientists do their jobs. Yes, of course the results should be questioned and the work examined rigorously, but this needs to be done (and is done) by people who know what they're looking at, not by a random group on Mumsnet.
MrsHerculePoirot · 16/12/2021 14:56

[quote Remmy123]@MrsHerculePoirot a 7 year old should be playing with his nerf gun .. not having to worry about 'doing his bit' that's what I find sad.[/quote]
🙄 he isn’t worried, you seem to keep projecting that on to him. He’s perfectly happy thanks and playing with his friends and toys. I’m sorry if him being happy to have the vaccine makes you feel sad though.

Wintersnuggles10 · 16/12/2021 16:07

My answer is no for the moment. My kids are 7 and 10. My eldest had covid last month, it was very mild for him.
I had terrible side effects to all 3 of my vaccines and I don't want my kids having to feel like that. I would like to wait at least 12 months whilst other kids have it and see what side effects crop up etc. All. Of our family are triple vaccinated so already have good protection.
I will change my mind if any new covid variant becomes more harmful to children.

SlashBeef · 16/12/2021 16:11

Nope, all 4 have had covid and it was milder than any cold they've had. The majority of parents in the playground this afternoon said no when the topic came up too.

Whammyyammy · 16/12/2021 16:13

My kids are adults, but if they were that age group then 100% yes. If it offers them protection, then why wouldn't you? Plus we travel a lot, and i think without it, you can forget trips abroad

ChristmasTreeBee · 16/12/2021 16:20

No….

Floundery · 16/12/2021 16:58

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RandomKettle500 · 16/12/2021 17:14

Marynotsocontrary

Well luckily for you I can speak with authority. I have a degree in statistics and work with research data. It's literally my job to find problems in data.

BogRollBOGOF · 16/12/2021 17:17

I'm in no rush.
They are otherwise up to date including this year's flu spray, but the gains for 12-15 were pretty marginal according to the JCVI, I can't see it being better for 5-11.

We've had a lot of Covid through school since October, so they've already been exposed, and most children we know have either tested due to a minor "cold" or assymptomatically through contacts. At this point, I'm not convinced that the medical benefits are for the majority of healthy children.

Both AZ1 and the Moderna booster have given me unpleasant (but minor) side effects, more than any other vaccinations I've ever had. (The only other preventative medication I've had worse was for malria to the point that I couldn't keep it in.) The vaccines have disrupted me more than cold-like symptoms do. Not something I'd be excited to replicate for my children.

My concern is that we'll be forced into a political decision, not a medical one. We have family abroad and between travel/ carehome restrictions, it's over 2 years since the DCs have seen their granny. Indeed they've not seen a relative over 60 since the end of 2019. They've lost 6.5+m of education, a vast swathe of family life, social skills, so many development opportunities and they owe strangers absolutely nothing. The other coercion point is if like adults, it affects self isolation protocol.

TBH getting a booster to get through this winter is one thing, but I am really, really not enthused by a potential prospect of constant vaccines to participate in normal life.

bizboz · 16/12/2021 17:27

I think the Covid vaccine needs to be considered more in-line with the flu vaccine than other childhood immunisations. Most cases of Covid in children are mild as are most cases of flu. However, as with flu, children play a large role in transmission of the virus. The purpose of giving children the flu vaccine is so they don't spread it to more vulnerable people who may then need hospital treatment during the busy winter period. It's exactly the same with Covid. Children are less likely to suffer from it badly themselves but they may suffer from less availability of general medical treatment because the health service is overstretched due to flu and Covid.

I understand parents wariness this year as the vaccine is relatively new but I hope there will be greater uptake once there is more widespread data. Vaccinating as many people as possible to reduce overall transmission looks like the best way to manage Covid longer term.

Floundery · 16/12/2021 17:34

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Madbadandusuallysad · 16/12/2021 18:03

After seeing the horrific rash DH came out in after each of his covid jabs, I don't want our kids to have it just in case it happens to them too. Each rash has lasted weeks and has been absolutely agony for him. Bloody red, painful and covering large areas of skin.

ProcrastinationIsMySuperPower · 16/12/2021 18:09

No. I'm not in any way anti-vax but we've all had covid, and it was very mild for my 11yo.

Marynotsocontrary · 16/12/2021 18:09

@RandomKettle500

Marynotsocontrary

Well luckily for you I can speak with authority. I have a degree in statistics and work with research data. It's literally my job to find problems in data.

Fair enough, but it's surprising the trial data made it through FDA and EMA approval if it was so flawed. Apparently they didn't agree with your analysis.
elliejjtiny · 16/12/2021 18:46

It's not just about how having the illness affects them. My dc will probably have covid fairly mildly and get over it. However they already have a father with depression. Statistically if I get covid it will most likely be from my 7 year old. If I get long covid, not wanting to blow my own trumpet but that's going to affect them hugely.

GrouchyKiwi · 16/12/2021 19:16

No. They'll only have it if we need it to travel to visit family.

We home educate, so they're not in school every day with other children to catch it from. Their activities are short enough that they're unlikely to pick it up there either. It doesn't stop them from catching or passing Covid to others; if it were a more effective vaccine then it would be a different matter.

Rainbowdrops2021 · 16/12/2021 19:53

Just to top it off recent evidence is showing that young people are at more risk of heart problems from the vaccine than they are from covid. This was a study done by scientists at Oxford university and the results have only been released in the last few days. Young males in particular are at a much greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine itself than from covid. So I wouldn’t rush to vaccinate your teens and children. This is not misinformation. People just do not want to admit that they may have made the wrong choice pushing their teens to have a vaccine that hasn’t got any long term data.

riveted1 · 16/12/2021 20:01

@Rainbowdrops2021

Just to top it off recent evidence is showing that young people are at more risk of heart problems from the vaccine than they are from covid. This was a study done by scientists at Oxford university and the results have only been released in the last few days. Young males in particular are at a much greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine itself than from covid. So I wouldn’t rush to vaccinate your teens and children. This is not misinformation. People just do not want to admit that they may have made the wrong choice pushing their teens to have a vaccine that hasn’t got any long term data.
This is untrue

Here's the paper you're referring to from Oxford scientists:

www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

Here is their conclusion;

Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 in adults was associated with a small increase in the risk of myocarditis within a week of receiving the first dose of both adenovirus and mRNA vaccines, and after the second dose of both mRNA vaccines. By contrast, SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a substantial increase in the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia.

I recommend going to the actual paper rather than relying on interpretations from people with an anti-vaccine agenda @Rainbowdrops2021

Tweet from one the PIs:

Prof Kamlesh Khunti
@kamleshkhunti
Our study in @NatureMedicine led by @JuliaHCox & @martinapatone

Increased risk of myocarditis with AZ, Moderna & Pfizer #CovidVaccine

BUT risk of myocarditis , pericarditis & cardiac arrhythmias much greater with #COVID19 infection

twitter.com/kamleshkhunti/status/1471031261615509508