Considering whether schools might close in Janl?

[PigeonLittle]

Trying to create a title so as not to panic anyone!

What are your guesses, will schools close again?

Other European country's have already announced extended holidays so I think so

@canary1

echt Yes I know his school was opened then. But was he attending it? Nope. The school were happy with his fathers explanations. Would that have happened before mass school closure? No.

Do criminals say ‘ yes please I’ll send my child in because they are vulnerable, living with me’? No.

In June 2020 it was acceptable to keep your child at home if you wanted to, if you chose to.

I can’t explain it any more clearly. If you are unable to understand the link between mass school lockdown and how circumstances it allowed some children in, so be it.

Actually you are wrong.

He was put through the school safeguarding procedures anyway. He fell through the social net which would've happened with schools open or not. School did all they could, this was at the door of a stretched and under funded social services.

borntobequiet

Paraphrasing what I said about promoting school lockdown ‘ should be ashamed of themselves’ and throwing it back at me is not clever.
It is ridiculous.
It is cases like Arthur’s that we must remember and absolutely need to talk about. It is an extreme example of what happened to the many children when a critical part of our society for them, their schools, were shut.
It’s essential to understand that child abuse increased at this time.
Of course like other workplaces schools may have to shut temporarily, just like your Gp practice might. Or your local supermarket.
But they get back up and running.

Our school warned today that they will be assessing whether to stay open or not on the daily basis (we are open until late this year, last day on 22nd). Working mother were really, really impressed. What kind of nonsense is that?

If the schools close I will not be homeschooling, the last time it effected my health and my sons horrendously.

The school were happy with his fathers explanations. Would that have happened before mass school closure? No

You are supposing this. You cannot know.

I can’t explain it any more clearly. If you are unable to understand the link between mass school lockdown and how circumstances it allowed some children in, so be it

I have pointed out a salient fact about this case, that things happened outside lockdown.

Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!

echt

Yes child abuse happened before- I think we all know that . I’m not sure what point you are making.

Stats show it increased during lockdown.

The school may have been more alarmed at actually visualising, seeing his declining physical state and increased frailty with daily attendance at school, more so than via a daily phone call. It is perfectly reasonable and sensible to assume this would be the case.

You’re assuming that he’d have been sent in. Stats show 100,000 kids with persistent absence.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!

Well I am going to really try hard to get my youngest in school this time if they close as I will still be working ft (not key worker) and he has been diagnosed with dyslexia and is really struggling so I can't help with homeschooling.

@Dghgcotcitc

Teachers will call for it, whether they are successful is anyone’s guess

Why do you think teachers will call for it? They haven't any other time, unless you believe the media posts. School staff have called for mitigation and precautions within schools, but not closures.

Fwiw I think it will be very very unlikely to have wide spread school closures again. No one wants them - staff, parents or pupils.

You may well get class or individual school closures temporarily however if schools struggle with staffing and numbers are high.

@Dghgcotcitc

mitigatiibs that involve socially distancing si half the class is in (with I assume priority for key workers) or shut but open to key worker (which is half the class!).. teachers are calling for the first but they are very similar and a non key worker kid I don’t think any teacher thinks they should be in a class come January!

Teachers aren't calling for social distancing or closing the school to groups of children. Don't believe everything you read on social media and the red tops!

I don’t know any teachers who are calling for schools to close, but the head of our biggest teaching union (in Scotland) is, again, so I can see why people might get the impression it is what ‘teachers’ want.

(Yes I know unions can’t tell the government what to do.)

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!

Nice stereotyping of single parents

@FenceSplinters

What was the uptake of vaccines by kids in other schools? It was about 15% in my school.

Local school to my infants was over 60%, higher in sixth form. But they have a lot of medical staff as parents. The independent school next door was higher.

And I actually don't know any parents who have declined the vaccine for their child, nor a teen who has declined it for themselves. Amongst family and friends, take up is high.

Boris has already said schools should not have bubbles so they won’t happen and defo shouldn’t be happening now as that’s not gov instruction

This isn't quite true.

Where cases are high in a school, schools are advised to move back to bubbles.
Many schools have had loose bubbles throughout the term, all in accordance to local guidance.

In many primary schools bubbles are a quick way to reduce contacts and can work really well.

I know in secondary they can cause more u]issues re timetabling, etc.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!

Evil, evil working single parents. Why don't they just stop sleeping instead in order to fit in homeschooling and full time work? Selfish as it gets.

@canary1

echt

Yes child abuse happened before- I think we all know that . I’m not sure what point you are making.

Stats show it increased during lockdown.

The school may have been more alarmed at actually visualising, seeing his declining physical state and increased frailty with daily attendance at school, more so than via a daily phone call. It is perfectly reasonable and sensible to assume this would be the case.

The link between increased abuse and lockdown is finally on the agenda.

Better to acknowledge and factor in to decisions

I think there is a massive difference between - there is a local break out and loads of kids have it or so many teachers have it that a local school needs to close - and - we should shut all the schools in the country. If a school has to shut for 2 weeks because too many teachers are off, fine, but that's different from schools being shut* for 3 months.

*for the 30-40% kids who aren't 'key worker' children

My brother’s a teacher in a secondary. I know he doesn’t want closure. He hated blended learning.

I would support very short term closures to enable all teachers to get their booster vaccines. This is something the government should be doing right now.

On a side note, my brother’s son, my nephew, is 14 and contracted Covid at school, and isolated at home. He had his Pfizer vaccine last month but now has cold symptoms and is waiting on PCR result and is off school again. My brother received an email from the local education authority threatening him that if my nephew misses any more school they’ll be taking legal action. He’s a really good kid and the only school he’s missed is due to having Covid or Covid symptoms. Has anyone else experienced this? Surely under the circumstances this is unreasonable?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

"Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!"

"Nice stereotyping of single parents"

Every single parent means all parents not single parents.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Will be bollocks as every single parent will claim to be a key worker!

Why just single parents? If only one parent of a couple was a key worker, they could still get their child into school under the rules last year.

I don’t forsee schools closing again. However if they did I’d have no hesitation in using my key worker status to get my son into school again.

@rrhuth

The impact of covid on children is not all on one side. Every covid wave creates more orphans and child carers for example.

Well said. Losing a parent/s (which sometimes also results in the child going into care) has an enormous impact on a child's mental health and future well being. And with covid, this has been happening.

I think it was meant as every single parent as in all parents, not every parent who is single.

@OriginalM I don't think the pp meant single parents. I think they meant every single parent as in all parents