Why is it acceptable to be angry with people who don’t want the vaccine?

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I’ve had both. I didn’t want them initially but after looking into it more, I decided to have them and think it’s the right thing.

But I would never be angry, rude, dismissive of someone who didn’t want the vaccine. I’m finding these discussions very draining - they happen at work, among friends, on the news. Whatever happened to allowing people to decide for themselves as to whether they want to book an appointment and have a needle injected into them?

Honestly, I don’t think it’s the right thing not to have the vaccine but i am astonished at how narrow minded people are that they cannot respect the decision of other people. I think if everyone backed off from blaming other people then they might find that more people DID end up having the vaccine.

Rant over!

Lots of arguments regarding whether vaccinations prevent/reduce hospitalizations/deaths.

Here's a graph courtesy of BBC News just today showing how vaccinations have reduced deaths In the US

It isn't ok & it's nobody else's business what someone does with their own body.. there has been too much MSM hysteria on the subject

@Whyevencare

Lots of arguments regarding whether vaccinations prevent/reduce hospitalizations/deaths.

Here's a graph courtesy of BBC News just today showing how vaccinations have reduced deaths In the US

Do you understand what the word 'cumulative' means?

People are shit at evaluating relative risk. I’d love to see the stats on the correlation between mathematical abilities and vaccine uptake.

Whyevencare
Why not try this one instead?

@Whyevencare that’s an astonishingly bad graphic. It tells us nothing about the rate of vaccine uptake, just plots the points in time when vaccines started to be available against the cumulative number of dead. There is a delay between the vaccine being available and significant numbers of people actually having had it. There is a period of time the body needs to develop immunity after receiving a vaccine. There is a delay between new infections and the deaths caused by those infections. That graph shows that the death rate fluctuated with the seasons, but not much else.

Haven't read the whole thread, but I really don't understand the hysteria over omicron and the unvaccinated. Myself and my family are unvaccinated and will remain so. We had covid in August and whilst it was unpleasant it was not life threatening.We now have antibodies which offer far better protection than from the vaccine which wanes after a couple of months. Angelique Coetzee the South African doctor can't understand what all the fuss is about.
I accept covid can be deadly for the elderly and vulnerable but so can the flu and we don't have lockdowns for that.Throughout the course of history there have been pandemics but they die out within 2 years. But I believe we are prolonging this pandemic with lockdowns and vaccines.

@AlfonsoTheUnrepentant

Thank you. Again, your own source does not bear your assertion out.

You read the report wrongly - the labels are at the top of the chart, rather than the bottom.

For example, in May 2021, almost 80% of admissions to ICU were patients who were unvaccinated. For the same time period, approximately 20% had had one vaccination and approximately 1 - 2% had had two vaccinations.

For November 2021, the unvaccinated made up 50% of ICU cases, one vaccination approximately 1 - 2% and double vaccinated 50%.

To quote the report: From 1 May 2021 to date, there have been 923 inter-hospital critical care transfers of 787 patients with confirmed COVID-19, of which 574 transfers of 536 patients were classified as being for comparable critical care.

Those are the same November 2021 figures I quoted.. What have I read wrong...I quoted exactly what you have written here?

It's getting weird now.

All I have stated is that the extent of unvaccinated in ICU has been exaggerated ("all unvaccinated" "overwhelmed with unvaccinated" etc etc) and these figures show that. More than likely just scaremongering journalism.

There's no big argument to win, it just is.

There are 10,000 people bed blocking who cannot go back into care homes

Funny that. Given we just fired 30,000+ people from the care sector for being unvaccinated. Not hysterical or moronic at all. That'll teach 'em.

hamstersarse My dad is in hospital after a stroke and my mum has dementia. The problem with lack of carers is a real one, however I still support the drive to get carers vaccinated and don't want them cared for by people who aren't vaccinated.

I really struggle to understand why people who can get vaccinated won't do it. I respect their right to make decisions for themselves, but I can't repect that decision. Don't suppose they gives two hoots what I think of them though.

@knittingaddict

Most of those carers probably have already had it. They would have been at no risk to the old folk, who also would be vaccinated?

[quote hamstersarse]@knittingaddict

Most of those carers probably have already had it. They would have been at no risk to the old folk, who also would be vaccinated?[/quote]
Of course the unvaccinated are a risk to my parents, but you just stick to your agenda, at all costs.

Also when you say "have already had it", do you mean covid? Because you do know that vaccines on top of immunity from covid is considerably safer than so called "natural" immunity alone. I think I had covid back in February 2020, but have no way of knowing for sure. Vaccines are a no brainer.

To answer the original question, this diagram is why people get angry about unvaccinated people!

[quote Bexxe]@KaycePollard
We just hope that the chemo will not be interrupted or delayed by the stress of treating unvaccinated COVID patients

how on earth have you made the link that unvaccinated people are going to stop your family members chemo treatment?
These absolutely wildly inaccurate and completely untrue statements are why the countrys at odds with eachother.

Chemotherapy treatment is performed in specialist areas by specialist clinical teams who will not ever even chance the risk of mixing bed bases with a COVID+ patient.

You have been majorly fed some incorrect information, and are angry about things that are not a possibility.[/quote]
Not all that different from people suggesting that being unvaccinated is akin to playing Russian Roulette, or believing that since they were vaccinated that when they had covid, it definitively saved their life.

Or those that conflate reduced risk of transmission with low risk of transmission, because yes, while it is less likely to transmit while vaccinated, it is certainly not unlikley.

@knittingaddict Of course the unvaccinated are a risk to my parents, but you just stick to your agenda, at all costs.

Surely you would agree that a negative tested unvaccinated person would be less of a risk than an untested vaccinated person?

Because it's quite a simple action to take and important for public health.

Lft aren't totally reliable and are a snap shot in time. I don't think they can be relied on for safety. A vaccine is the best way to protect people and I'll say it again, I don't understand why someone working with the vulnerable wouldn't get it done. In my perfect scenario it would be vaccines AND testing.

[quote samyeagar]**@knittingaddict* Of course the unvaccinated are a risk to my parents, but you just stick to your agenda, at all costs.*

Surely you would agree that a negative tested unvaccinated person would be less of a risk than an untested vaccinated person?[/quote]
My last post was in reply to this.

Of course the unvaccinated are a risk to my parents, but you just stick to your agenda, at all costs.

The biggest risk to your parents is that they will have no carers at all soon enough.

@CatsArePeople

Of course the unvaccinated are a risk to my parents, but you just stick to your agenda, at all costs.

The biggest risk to your parents is that they will have no carers at all soon enough.

They don't have carers now.

@knittingaddict

Lft aren't totally reliable and are a snap shot in time. I don't think they can be relied on for safety. A vaccine is the best way to protect people and I'll say it again, I don't understand why someone working with the vulnerable wouldn't get it done. In my perfect scenario it would be vaccines AND testing.

I agree. My GP told me they class lateral flow tests as "extremely unreliable, putting it mildly".

I also find the people shouting about not wanting to be vaccinated and won't wear a mask ,are the ones that are also shouting the loudest about how they want things to go back to normal and their kids need their education.....they genuinely can't see that if they can, they can tow the line to try and help achieve those goals.
That's one of my frustrations.
My other is just the selfishness of it, obviously if you are able to, just try and help out.

I have 4 colleagues at school who are unvaccinated and having to isolate. Two of them had returned from a 10 day isolation for only a day before isolating again.
This is impacting on everyone else's workload, never mind the budget implications. This is also on top of 5 teachers being off with Covid.
They can do some work from home, but what we need is bodies in front of children.
We cannot get enough supply teachers to cover every class so some classes are being split into other classes.
We are perilously close to having to close early and have staff supervising children through their lunch break in order to keep
school open.

My GP told me they class lateral flow tests as "extremely unreliable, putting it mildly".

Which begs the question of why then are they even allowed for anything? Why are people making any decisions based on them? Why do people take any sense of security, personal or otherwise from them?