The tragic news of this Omicron death

[User135644]

Very sad news that someone has now died of Omicron. Are the media going over the top though? I always thought a death was likely at some point. Sadly they may not he the last either.

Is it just the old adage of one death a tragedy, many deaths a statistic?

Because we know nothing about this death we cannot say it is tragic news, it could be someone very elderly which is not a tragic death.

The person who died had omicron at the time of death. We don't know if it was the cause of death.

My understanding is that it was a death with Omicron, not of Omicron, which is a very different thing.
I don't know the details though, so can't say much.
Either way, very sad for the family. Thoughts with all who've lost loved ones recently, whatever the cause

@WanderingFruitWonderer

My understanding is that it was a death with Omicron, not of Omicron, which is a very different thing. I don't know the details though, so can't say much. Either way, very sad for the family. Thoughts with all who've lost loved ones recently, whatever the cause

Where did you get this information?

Yes it’s tragic but the reporting is very vague and done intentionally to make everyone fearful.
There will be more tragic deaths but don’t succumb to the fear.
We don’t need to live lives under constant restrictions and limited freedoms.

I agree with you in the sense that, while obviously awful for the family, was there anyone thinking that omicron wouldn’t cause any deaths? Surely that was a given. I know some people were hoping it was milder, but I doubt anyone thought fatality would be 0, and one death proves nothing about how mild/severe it is (obviously it may give an indication to medics who know the patient’s medical history, but I meant to the general public). I don’t understand the focus on the omicron death over the presumably much larger number of people who died of delta on the same day.

Where did you get this information?

From the mouth of the PM. "Died with Omicron". Not the same as "died of Omicron".

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of a classic MN covid board scaremonger-fest and competitive "who cares the most" thread.

We’ve not got much information on this fatality. Tbh, I’m not sure if it makes much difference whether underlying conditions make much difference, the problem of volume of people dying/needing hospital care all within a short space of time is still a problem whether it’s caused by covid or covid aggravating an underlying condition and speeding up an inevitable death.

@User983756 I agree the death of someone elderly isn’t necessarily tragic, however, the circumstances of the death can very much be. Knowing death is likely imminent and being unable to see family/friends and seek comfort is tragic at any age.

Human life has a 100% mortality rate. Every death is sad but not necessarily a tragedy. The media and politicians are being revoltingly ghoulish for their own means.

Of course they’re going over the top because it gets people talking on online forums and keeps them in business.

@chequerboard not necessarily a tragedy, in some circumstances it may be a blessed release. Of course the family would be sad in those circumstances but that isn't the same as a tragedy. If someone phoned me today to tell me my dad or MIL had died I would be relieved that they were no longer in constant pain and distress. Very sad but also relieved.

I don’t understand the focus on the omicron death

It’s because people are very invested in the idea Omicron is milder but we don’t have any proof of that right now, people are looking for signs that it’s either correct or wrong.

WiseUpJanetWeiss

WanderingFruitWonderer
My understanding is that it was a death with Omicron, not of Omicron, which is a very different thing.
I don't know the details though, so can't say much.
Either way, very sad for the family. Thoughts with all who've lost loved ones recently, whatever the cause

Where did you get this information?“

I heard this yesterday too, on BBC. Clearly said “with” not “from”.

I was absolutely pilloried yesterday for saying roughly what you're all saying.

@MaxNormal

I was absolutely pilloried yesterday for saying roughly what you're all saying.

Yes @MaxNormal the virtue signalling keyboard warriors have not yet swooped on this one, give it a few mins.

Of course some people will die with omicron. Lots of people die on a day and some of those will have been infected with omicron before they do.

Yep - every report I have watched or read has clearly said 'with' not 'of'.

It's like the current figures - died within 28 days of a positive test. These could be people who tested positive asymptomatically and got knocked down by a bus 2 weeks later - nothing to do with covid.

Of course, any death is sad, but let's keep to the facts!

@MLMshouldbeillegal

Where did you get this information?

From the mouth of the PM. "Died with Omicron". Not the same as "died of Omicron".

But hey, don't let me stand in the way of a classic MN covid board scaremonger-fest and competitive "who cares the most" thread.

Oh right, let's all hang on every word of that lying charlatan.

@MaxNormal

I was absolutely pilloried yesterday for saying roughly what you're all saying.

The Groupthink is strong. It won’t be long now...

@Seeline

Yep - every report I have watched or read has clearly said 'with' not 'of'.

It's like the current figures - died within 28 days of a positive test. These could be people who tested positive asymptomatically and got knocked down by a bus 2 weeks later - nothing to do with covid.

Of course, any death is sad, but let's keep to the facts!

Just to pick up on how the death figures are collated, yes the 28 day cut off will include definite cases of ‘with’ not ‘of’ but this is countered by the deaths that occur after 28 days that implicate a covid infection. The government publishes both

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom

As a broad measure they’re pretty accurate.

I wish the reporting of deaths would stop, or at least be reported along side other fatalities to give us some perspective.

@Trixiefirecracker

I wish the reporting of deaths would stop, or at least be reported along side other fatalities to give us some perspective.

Why would they start using perspective now when they haven't bothered with it for the last 22 months...?

@Lilifer it’s just something I wish they would do, I can’t answer you as to why they haven’t or won’t. 🤷‍♀️

Even if Omicron is as mild as the common cold, some people will still die of it because people can die of a common cold if they are vulnerable or frail.

But it's no more or no less tragic than any other death by natural causes.