Is another lockdown inevitable?

[Flowersandjellybeans]

I just can’t work out whether it’s more likely than not we’ll end up in another lockdown (and when that might be)…

There are multiple articles in all the newspapers, often contradicting each other… I honestly can’t work out what is likely to happen or really even on the table and when it would actually happen?

YANBU = yes, we’ll end up in another lockdown
YABU = no, we won’t have another lockdown

Waxonwaxoff0

The one on one got my child ahead to where they needed to be on the curriculum. The education side worked well here.

But I'm not advocating for school closures. Far from it. My child has finally settled back into a routine. My point is leaving schools open while putting restrictions on socialising isn't going to work. Why should people follow it? It doesn't make sense.

And it's so damaging basically leaving the house only to learn or work. Last year our kids were mixing together at school but weren't allowed to see each other outside of school. There were posters complaining they saw small groups of teenagers together on the weekend, yet the fact they were in cramped classrooms together all day was fine!

Our school is huge and there are so many cases, and no bubbles anymore. I think it should slow down while the kids are off over Xmas, but then go crazy again when they go back. I have three in school so I am not looking forward to home learning again!

If we don’t lockdown then we’ll truly see what untamed Omicron looks like with the magnitude of disruption to services, logistics and functions of the country laid bare for all to see and experience.

Spudlet

Where did I say schools should close and fuck your son and others that couldn't learn from home?

@Popcornriver

Waxonwaxoff0

The one on one got my child ahead to where they needed to be on the curriculum. The education side worked well here.

But I'm not advocating for school closures. Far from it. My child has finally settled back into a routine. My point is leaving schools open while putting restrictions on socialising isn't going to work. Why should people follow it? It doesn't make sense.

And it's so damaging basically leaving the house only to learn or work. Last year our kids were mixing together at school but weren't allowed to see each other outside of school. There were posters complaining they saw small groups of teenagers together on the weekend, yet the fact they were in cramped classrooms together all day was fine!

Better than isolated completely.

I would have taken school many times over my dc in front of a screen and no contact.

No contest.

I’d let people opt out if they preferred online than do it again.

Why should kids miss more school? If people are worried about spreading covid at Christmas, don't socialise.

Exactly! It's a fucking day ffs.

(much) Tighter rules not a lockdown after Christmas

I don't know if there will another lockdown. The damage to the economy may be too big.

Further restrictions? Yes I think that's likely. I'm in Scotland and there are strong rumours that further restrictions are imminent. That's what the government does - leaks it to the press before making an announcement.

What these restrictions will be I don't know. Sports cancelled maybe. Certainly the feeling I get from what I've read. Restrictions on gatherings? Maybe but doubtful people will comply on the whole.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

The solution would be what they do in Europe and lock down the unvaccinated until they acquire some common sense, but it's not likely to happen here.

Do you think forcing vaccines and boosters on everyone is where it ends? Once we go down that route, there’s no turning back. There’ll be more and more control. Have you not noticed covid passes? Is that the kind of society you want to live in? Where we demonise and blame some people for what the government are doing, have no choice about our bodies, and have to show passes wherever we go. Maybe you’d like to live under a regime like China has.

No.

They can't afford it and nobody is going to stop socialising with their friends and family at home when the pubs, restaurants and shops are all still open as normal.

I also think that even if they do shut everything, people will just continue to socialise anyway because they're sick of it by now and the vast majority of us don't want to keep putting our lives on hold for this anymore.

I'm sure someone will be along to scream about how selfish that is but it's human nature to be social and see your friends and family. Asking people to continually isolate themselves is never going to go down well and is going to cause decades of problems in terms of MH issues like anxiety and depression.

You can't keep locking people away from
their friends and family and expect them to say "okay" forever.

I think YABU. I think we might have more restrictions, but not full lockdown, but I think if it does happen it will be January.

The problem is going to be Christmas. I know lots of people wfh, not going to parties, but I know no one who is saying, “we are changing Xmas plans and not seeing family”. The reality is even if the government said you can’t mingle I think majority would not comply (I don’t think this has anything to do with government parties, you either are worried you are a risk to your family or you don’t), but more people can’t face another Xmas without family. I have older relatives who fully complied with lockdown, but majority are now saying we have to get on with life.

MarshaBradyo

Well the opting out isn't going to happen is it? Fines were issued to parents of CEV children.

And I would send my child to school as well. Once again, I don't want schools to close. I'm fed up complying to half measures that don't do enough to stop the spread. It's a waste of time.

@Popcornriver

MarshaBradyo

Well the opting out isn't going to happen is it? Fines were issued to parents of CEV children.

And I would send my child to school as well. Once again, I don't want schools to close. I'm fed up complying to half measures that don't do enough to stop the spread. It's a waste of time.

Honestly I don’t care if people do or don’t. As long as schools are a priority and open.

They might shut some non essential shops which people would probably not use anyway so to have to pay furlough to shops that would be empty anyway if they were open is a complete waste of money. People probably won't comply with the socialising stuff which is a lot easier to do under the cover of darkness anyway.

Maybe you’d like to live under a regime like China has.

What's that to do with China? Many EU countries have restrictions for the unvaccinated. I thought the EU was always the good guys to the bad UK?

People simply won't do it

MarshaBradyo

I'm not certain but hasn't there been legislation passed to say schools will remain open regardless?

Perhaps the government should start by looking at offices that refuse to work from home when they can!

@icedcoffees

The pro-lockdowners seem to be the introverts, the people with a a boring or non-existant social life/no friends or family, or able to work from home and be a Disney/Mary Poppins parent.

I'm not sure what you mean popcorn? Why couldn't you see family three days later, Christmas isn't cancelled? Or do you mean hypothetically? I don't think we should close schools to protect christmas socialising. In my opinion education comes before Christmas day in the list of priorities of things to 'go'. Not that I want either cancelled, of course.

@Popcornriver that was in reply to you above, sorry thought I'd tagged you

I barely see my neighbours in the winter, I wouldn't have a clue if they had illicit visitors when I am sat down watching telly with the curtains drawn.

I don’t think the restrictions for the unvaccinated are morally right.
There are other options like daily testing or mask wearing.

There are people who need to go to offices. Young people who live on their own are badly affected by wfh. There are no reasons for current restrictions given the data and information we currently have.

I think there will be further tightening of restrictions but no blanket ‘lockdown’.
I think we’ll certainly see a lot of learning from home, but only because of schools having to shut due to lack of staff, not because of anything the DfE has said.

I hate how people toss around the term lockdown now. As though it's an acceptable tool. Let's all pause our lives, hide away at home for a few weeks baking bread and emerge into a covid free world. Lockdowns are worse than the alternative. It is not acceptable in any way for it to be an option at this stage. Those that want to impose their own personal lockdown are free to do so.

I can see schools closing after Christmas-whether nationally or on a more local basis.

If the government continue completely ignoring what’s going on in schools and saying they must stay open no matter what, the situation won’t be addressed. If schools have no staff, they won’t be able to open for any children at all-even those who are vulnerable or key workers.