The actual statistics behind the vaccinated and unvaccinated?

[Wellbythebloodyhell]

Want to start by saying I'm double vaccinated plus booster before anyone thinks this is an anti vax thread. It absolutely isn't .

I want to know the actual statistics being vaccinated vs unvaccinated in relation to transmission ?
I'm not anti vax in anyway but I am very much pro choice and have no issue at all if people decide not to be vaccinated, as far as I'm concerned I trust the vaccines I've had will protect me if others don't feel they need/want that protection that's their choice.

Theres a very negative narrative around the unvaccinated, and I feel restrictions for the unvaccinated are very unfair. For example the need for the unvaccinated to isolate as contacts whereas the vaccinated don't need too. What's the science and statistics behind this? Surely testing daily irrelevant of vaccine status would be better advice, after all you can't spread something you haven't got?

All we hear is the vaccinated are "less likely " to catch and therefore pass on, but how much less? 5%? 10%? 80%?

Too me it just seems to be another stick to beat people into getting a vaccine they don't want

LFT after approximately 65/70% of accurate so they are not to be completely relied upon.

I’m not been factious but I have you tried googling to find out the answer.

The quoted statistic is 90% of people in intensive care and unvaccinated. 80% of eligible people are vaccinated in the U.K. and it's weighted towards older and more vulnerable people (12-30 year olds have far lower vaccination rates. Over 60's have very high). All figures from radio 4

Go into any ICU in the country right now, and the unvaccinated are proportionally the ones in there.
My friend works in a and e and has seen loads of pregnant women for example who have not been immunised in truly dire states.
She watched an otherwise health woman in her 30s die from covid last week (unvaccinated).
I wish we had a web cam in a and e so people could see what’s really happening.

The weekly vaccine surveillance reports have this information op.

wish we had a web cam in a and e so people could see what’s really happening

Yes, I believe the public would have been horrified by the blanket Dnrs.

I work in ITU and the entire time the pandemic has been with us, nearly 2 years now, we have only had 2 fully vaccinated people admitted. Some ITUs have had more vaccinated people, that’s true as they do different kinds of treatments, but that’s my experience.

The rest of the time all we are doing is treating the unvaccinated. And it’s getting old and tired. That’s my negative narrative.

The “90% of hospitalised covid patients being unvaccinated” figure is misinformation.

It’s troubling the media continue to say it, as it’s simply not true.

fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/

[quote moregarlic]The “90% of hospitalised covid patients being unvaccinated” figure is misinformation.

It’s troubling the media continue to say it, as it’s simply not true.

fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/[/quote]
It's 90% of patients in ICU being quoted, rather than hospitalized like in your graph.

[quote moregarlic]The “90% of hospitalised covid patients being unvaccinated” figure is misinformation.

It’s troubling the media continue to say it, as it’s simply not true.

fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/[/quote]
90 % ICU admissions are unvaccinated, hospitals admissions not the same as ICU. I think we should introduce vaccine passports for restaurants and theatres etc as they are doing in Germany. Why should we have to continue to poor hospital resources into treating people who aren’t prepared to protect themselves?

@Tequilamockinbird @wonderstuff where’s that data from?

I know one unvaccinated family.

Husband got it very mildly. Did not pass it to unvaccinated wife.. they slept in the same bed!! Also did not pass it to thier kids.

As it's disproportionately people who are disadvantaged who are unvaccinated, there must be some confounding with health inequalities, it would be interesting to be able to unpick this, I haven't seen anything.

@Remmy123

I know one unvaccinated family.

Husband got it very mildly. Did not pass it to unvaccinated wife.. they slept in the same bed!! Also did not pass it to thier kids.

That’s like saying I know someone who doesn’t wear seatbelt or someone who play chicken on the road and they’re fine.

I think we should know the overall difference. Perhaps publicised alongside daily Covid test figures.

@Livelifeinthebuslane

As it's disproportionately people who are disadvantaged who are unvaccinated, there must be some confounding with health inequalities, it would be interesting to be able to unpick this, I haven't seen anything.

This is absolutely true, as well as non-English speakers and people from BAME backgrounds. IMO this is a failure of public health messaging. More needs to be done to engage with these groups, try to build trust and counteract the misinformation that is out there. Can’t see that happening with this government though.

But to answer the original question this article gives a good summary

www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-09-24/covid-vaccines-do-they-change-risk-of-infection/100484432

Covid case and hospitalisation figures are reasonably simple facts (with a caveat about the error bars around the unvaccinated population) and easy to publish.

Transmission rates are absolute buggers to calculate. How would you go about it, given the data available? It's possible but it takes a lot of assumptions along the way and people who didn't like the outcome could pick a lot of holes in them.

How would you go about it, given the data available?
I don't know the data available between vaxxed and unvax transmission hence my thread however in the absence of such, I'd rather everyone test daily and carry on with life, 60/70% accuracy of everyone testing is better than majority not testing at all and carrying on regardless because they've had a couple of jabs. I firmly believe in the vaccines reducing severity of illness but testing regularly is our best form of transmission defence.

*test daily if household contact that is

ICNARC report, May-July 2021, UK, critical care patients. Table 16 (pg 45)
73% were completely unvaccinated.

I suppose what's interesting is that among ppl age 70+ in critical care, 55% were double vaccinated.
So it will be interesting now that all adults have had option to be fully vaccinated, what will % of those in critical care be who are not at all vaccinated.

Want to start by saying I'm double vaccinated plus booster before anyone thinks this is an anti vax thread. It absolutely isn't .

They literally ALL start like this. Do they really think we don't notice?

@OnlyAFleshWound

Want to start by saying I'm double vaccinated plus booster before anyone thinks this is an anti vax thread. It absolutely isn't .

They literally ALL start like this. Do they really think we don't notice?

Theres always 1 who has turn it into something it's not

Thanks for thread OP - was literally discussing this exact Q with DH this morning. We have both just had our booster but it wasn’t clear to me what that means in terms of transmission risks (both our risk to others and the risk of someone unvaccinated to us).

Great link @DisasterPasta really helpful, bookmarking they one.

My takeaway from reading that link and links within it was that transmission risk directly relates to chances of breakthrough infection and viral load. So vaccinated people have a lower chance of infection overall and if they do carry Covid it’s a lower viral load for a shorter period so vaccinated people are likely to infect less people. Is that a reasonable summation? I probably sound dim as some of this is pretty obvious, but I’m just trying to make sure I’m clear.

Is that a reasonable summation?
Yes.

work in ITU and the entire time the pandemic has been with us, nearly 2 years now, we have only had 2 fully vaccinated people admitted.

Saying nearly two years is kind of pointless as half of that the vaccine wasn't available to most.

Do we know to what extent any of this applies to Omicron?
So would a single vaccinated teen's transmission be reduced, or is it too soon to know?