New York City - New Mandates

[Gooseandamoose]

For anyone who hasn't seen it on the news, NYC mayor Bill de Blasio announced two new vaccine mandates yesterday for New York city

1. All private sector employees will have to be vaccinated without testing as a substitute. This is in addition to the mandates for many public sector workers that are already in place.

1. All children from 5 and up will have to be vaccinated with one shot to access indoor dining, museums and indoor entertainment venues. In addition, "Children between 5 and 11 will also be required to get vaccinated to participate in high-risk extracurricular activities. These activities include sports, band, orchestra, and dance. "

So that's pretty much everyone that will need to be vaccinated to work (unless self employed for the time being anyway) or do anything indoors in NYC, including kids from 5 and up.

Total insanity. Also going to scurper a lot of family holidays to NYC!

@Skinnytailedsquirrel

Those of you shouting "I'm pro choice" what about the vaccinated that what the choice of living their lives normally? We have chosen vaccinations as we know it protects ourselves and others.

Anti-vaxers have chosen to be selfish.

What you seem to be saying @Skinnytailedsquirrel is you want the unvaccinated to get the vaccine to protect the vaccinated and allow the vaccinated to live their lives normally? Surely if the vaccinated have had the vaccine they can live their lives normally yeh? Or don't you trust the vaccine? You're not an anti-vaxxer are you?

[quote bellamountain]@samyeagar or YOU could stay away from kids if you're that worried. [/quote]
Or the selfish parents who insist on taking their kids out in public could keep them away...choices have consequences and all that.

@Skinnytailedsquirrel why don't you just live your life as normal? Not my fault you're scared.

[quote Skinnytailedsquirrel]@XenoBitch - your comment doesn't make sense. Someone who medically cannot have the vaccine is not necessarily an anti-vaxxer!

Compulsory vaccinations (for those who can) (and only 0.1% approx cannot) will help those who cannot receive it. HTH[/quote]
Some people are terrified to have the vaccine... could be fear of side effects, the fact they had side effects from a previous jab, a needle phobia... maybe someone is so far deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole that they genuinely believe that there is a chip in the vaccine. Such a person needs help, not derision. None of these things would make them medically exempt.
Yet all of the above would not fall into the definition of anti-vaxxer either.

How would you enforce compulsory vaccinations?

Those of you shouting "I'm pro choice" what about the vaccinated that what the choice of living their lives normally? We have chosen vaccinations as we know it protects ourselves and others. Anti-vaxers have chosen to be selfish

No, they've chosen to do what they consider is best for them. I considered vaccination was best for me.

And if someone did suffer a bad side effect from the vaccination, would you be queuing up to help them? Nope, thought not.

Those of you who think it's outrageous to mandate vaccination for children 5 and older - do you understand how viruses mutate?

Also, "chosen to be selfish." Are you willing to share all your assets because that's "selfish". Share with the world. There are people starving. Selfish

Exactly. People should not be subjected to other peoples little 3 year snot-nosed unvaccinated little super-spreaders

well unless you work in a nursery/childcare you don't have to go anywhere near a 3 year old.

@mathanxiety

Those of you who think it's outrageous to mandate vaccination for children 5 and older - do you understand how viruses mutate?

What's your point?

@fakereview

Exactly. People should not be subjected to other peoples little 3 year snot-nosed unvaccinated little super-spreaders

well unless you work in a nursery/childcare you don't have to go anywhere near a 3 year old.

If I am at the corner grocer, and someone brings their kid in...

@samyeagar ugh, I wouldn't want you anywhere near my snot nosed children.

@XenoBitch "Some people are terrified to have the vaccine... could be fear of side effects, the fact they had side effects from a previous jab, a needle phobia... maybe someone is so far deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole that they genuinely believe that there is a chip in the vaccine. Such a person needs help, not derision. None of these things would make them medically exempt.
Yet all of the above would not fall into the definition of anti-vaxxer either."

THEY ARE ALL ANTI=VAXXERS. HTH

@mathanxiety

Those of you who think it's outrageous to mandate vaccination for children 5 and older - do you understand how viruses mutate?

Yes. Do you understand that the majority of the world isn’t vaccinated - including vulnerable people and health care workers in developing countries? I think your concern about mutations is somewhat misplaced. (Or completely fake)

No, they've chosen to do what they consider is best for them. I considered vaccination was best for me.

Or maybe they understand that as long as there is a pool of people refusing vaccination, refusing to participate in erecting a firewall against the virus, the virus can spread and mutate.

There are a lot of people on this thread incapable of holding more than one concept in their brains at a time. The argument for vaccination has multiple facets, all based on the behaviour of the virus and what we know about the nature of all viruses

Vaccinate children because:
They can spread the virus, especially when cooped up all day in schools where they are not wearing masks,
The virus can mutate in an unvaccinated population where spread is not controlled,
A sufficiently mutated vaccine can get past previous incarnations of the vaccine, necessitating another round for everyone and death for those unlucky enough to miss out.

This isn't hard. Engage your brains and think things through.

There is no I or Me to this. You have to think on a larger scale.

[quote Skinnytailedsquirrel]@XenoBitch "Some people are terrified to have the vaccine... could be fear of side effects, the fact they had side effects from a previous jab, a needle phobia... maybe someone is so far deep into the conspiracy rabbit hole that they genuinely believe that there is a chip in the vaccine. Such a person needs help, not derision. None of these things would make them medically exempt.
Yet all of the above would not fall into the definition of anti-vaxxer either."

THEY ARE ALL ANTI=VAXXERS. HTH[/quote]
Was there something in the vaccine that has made you hate other people so much?

@mathanxiety what a load of hot air. We all know about viruses and how they spread. We just don't want to because it's our choice.

Or maybe they understand that as long as there is a pool of people refusing vaccination, refusing to participate in erecting a firewall against the virus, the virus can spread and mutate.

You know that ‘firewall’ can also contain people who have recovered from the virus, right?

Yes. Do you understand that the majority of the world isn’t vaccinated - including vulnerable people and health care workers in developing countries? I think your concern about mutations is somewhat misplaced. (Or completely fake)

Thanks, @bumbleymummy, for making my point. We need to vaccinate so that we can stop the spread and prevent multiplication of mutations, especially in vulnerable populations where healthcare is patchy and where millions are malnourished or already suffering from chronic conditions.

@FromEden

In the US, almost every state excludes children from school if they're not vaccinated against the usual childhood diseases

They don't though. It's extremely easy to get exemptions for those or avoid it altogether by sending them to private school. I know someone whose child has received zero vaccines and he goes to school without issue. I think my child's school asked when she started in first grade for her records, which I supplied, but nothing since then. Children have never been excluded from school, or anywhere, based on their vaccination status before.

We get messages from our school if any are out of date and told to get them by x date or don’t come in. I couldn’t register my son without current vacc’s when we moved here. (TX)

Re the mandates, federal court have overturned Biden’s vaccine mandates so I’m sure NY won’t be far behind

We all know about viruses and how they spread. We just don't want to because it's our choice.

We just don't want to because it's our selfish choice.

Fixed that for ya.

[quote sharkyandme]**@samyeagar* ugh, I wouldn't want you anywhere near* my snot nosed children. [/quote]
I am just highlighting the logical conclusion of what the loudest, for lack of a better term, pro-vaxxers are advocating. I suspect most of them would absolutely hate the world they seem to be wanting. It is very easy to advocate for something that one knows would not happen. But then when it does...

They don't though. It's extremely easy to get exemptions for those or avoid it altogether by sending them to private school. I know someone whose child has received zero vaccines and he goes to school without issue. I think my child's school asked when she started in first grade for her records, which I supplied, but nothing since then. Children have never been excluded from school, or anywhere, based on their vaccination status before.

Your experience is very unusual.

Yes, you can get an exemption based on religious beliefs.

People claiming it tend to be well aware of their rights and prepared to fight school districts over it so school districts generally waive the rules for them. They also tend to congregate in specific communities or regions - NYC Hasidic Jewish communities, NW states new wave/ hippie/ yoga folks, certain protestant denominations and independent congregationsm and certain woo private schools such as Steiner-Waldorf.

Mainstream private schools - RC, Lutheran, Jewish, Montessori - all ask for your vaccination records and also your annual dental exam in states where this is required.

@samyeagar or the selfish old people who keep going out in public and catching the virus and ending up in hospital. Your logic is ridiculous.

I suspect most of them would absolutely hate the world they seem to be wanting. It is very easy to advocate for something that one knows would not happen. But then when it does...

I live in a world where my children would be excluded from school without proof of vaccination against childhood diseases.

I like it very much.

You know that ‘firewall’ can also contain people who have recovered from the virus, right?

@bumbleymummy
I normally don't engage with people who are science deniers, but your comments are irresistible.

Natural immunity wanes very quickly with covid.