Austrian Vaccine Mandate (new details)

[Battenburg77]

Some new details about the vaccine mandate in Austria have emerged today.

Repeated fines of €2000. Non payment of the fines to result in jail time. 4 weeks at first but maximum total custodial sentence of 1 year.

The unique part is that the individual concerned will be charged for their own "stay". They will have to pay for their time in the cell and for meals.

Here's the article for anyone who would like to Google translate and read it:

exxpress.at/alle-details-zum-gesetz-gegen-impfgegner-bis-zu-einem-jahr-beugehaft/

I don't know how the Austrian government is planning to have the space in prison to make this possible, but there's a mention in the article of special buildings or floors of prisons for "vaccination opponents".

@FromEden

I'm sure it will be amended at some point to allow the unvaccinated to be detained indefinitely. Maybe in purpose built camps like they have in Australia. Definitely nothing wrong or sinister about that . Perfectly normal for a supposedly democratic country!

What? I am in Australia and this is bullshit, there are no camps for the unvaccinated. We do have a quarantine camp though (and are building more), perhaps that is what you are thinking of. Or are you just believing crap you read on facebook?

What is 'Howard Springs'then?

@XenoBitch

What is 'Howard Springs'then?

@TheWestIsTheBest Don't even bother. They have a set idea in their heads that Howard Springs is a 'camp' rather than a quarantine facility. (Because it has fences, don't you know, and they've seen some videos and stuff.)

Howard Springs was built to house miners, but is being used as an alternative to hotel quarantine.

The stuff about GPs refusing medical exemption for previous reactions is rubbish. I suspect that someone just disagreed with their GP - however, it's very easy to get a second opinion from another GP here.

I think that Australia has a good balance here. We need proof of vaccination for some spaces, interstate travel and some jobs, but no general mandate.

Howard springs is a quarantine facility. I know a few people who have been in it, they quite enjoyed their stay saying it was much superior to hotel quarantine.

@SelkieQualia

Howard Springs was built to house miners, but is being used as an alternative to hotel quarantine.

The stuff about GPs refusing medical exemption for previous reactions is rubbish. I suspect that someone just disagreed with their GP - however, it's very easy to get a second opinion from another GP here.

I think that Australia has a good balance here. We need proof of vaccination for some spaces, interstate travel and some jobs, but no general mandate.

Is it still the case that Victoria requires vaccination for pretty much any work done outside the home? I mean it might not be a general mandate but for all intents and purposes it's as close as you could get

I've never understood why the vaccinated are so frightened of the unvaccinated, I've had both mine and booked for third but I don't give a shiny shit if someone isn't.

Because if I'm in a car accident and need ICU, whether I'm vaccinated won't matter. What will matter is the lack of ICU beds because of unvaccinated people. You can talk about obesity, alcohol etc. if you want but the lack of beds is currently an issue because of massive underfunding (I blame government) and unvaccinated covid cases.

Having said that, being an idiot isn't a crime and much as I think people who could get the vaccine and don't are twats, being one shouldn't be a fine or prison.

I do wish people would respect my choices though. The whole, 'unvaccinated, no mask, no distancing, screw you' attitude is vile.

Some geezer on Tiktok put it quite well:

“I wanna talk about this whole not getting vaccinated and then running to the hospital when you get the virus-thing. If you don't trust doctors enough to take their advice and get the vaccine, then why do you trust doctors once you catch #COVID?"

Austria is having to introduce vaccine mandates because the upswell of Covid cases and subsequent hospitalisation numbers will overwhelm hospitals and ICU beds otherwise - meaning unnecessary deaths and suffering for many who badly need hospital for other urgent causes, as well.

The Vic ones are much stricter than where I am, more that I read bit more. The Vic ones are due to be loosened very soon, however. They were intended to be temporary.

@XenoBitch

This is just so wrong. Address the reasons people are hesitant.

>>But while a majority of citizens may actually support a mandate, Austrian society is deeply divided between those who have accepted vaccination measures thus far, and a hardened, unvaccinated residuum caught up in conspiracy theories and false information, and attracted to far-right politics.>Austria’s low vaccination rate and lashings of anti-vax and Covid-sceptic sentiment are reflected in its party politics. Austria has not one but two openly Covid-sceptic parties: the Freedom party (FPÖ) and a new movement, the People-Freedom-Fundamental Rights (MFG) party, which won representation in the Upper Austrian state parliament in regional elections in September. The FPÖ leader Herbert Kickl – prone to throwing about terms such as “vaccine apartheid” and “two-class society” – has promoted the horse deworming drug ivermectin as a treatment.

@MrsTerryPratchett

I've never understood why the vaccinated are so frightened of the unvaccinated, I've had both mine and booked for third but I don't give a shiny shit if someone isn't.

Because if I'm in a car accident and need ICU, whether I'm vaccinated won't matter. What will matter is the lack of ICU beds because of unvaccinated people. You can talk about obesity, alcohol etc. if you want but the lack of beds is currently an issue because of massive underfunding (I blame government) and unvaccinated covid cases.

Having said that, being an idiot isn't a crime and much as I think people who could get the vaccine and don't are twats, being one shouldn't be a fine or prison.

I do wish people would respect my choices though. The whole, 'unvaccinated, no mask, no distancing, screw you' attitude is vile.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think many people have that attitude. I'm not vaccinated. But I'm extremely careful re Covid, and think I'm less likely to catch or pass it on than some (not all) vaccinated people. In fact, some of my friends were very surprised when I first expressed doubts about having the vaccine, as I'd been so careful re Covid throughout, that not getting vaccinated didn't suit the rest of my approach to it. I haven't set foot in a pub or cinema since the pandemic started. I take a lateral flow test once a week, double mask, hand wash frequently etc. I don't think I'm alone in being a careful Covid-wise unvaccinated person. I know there are a handful of reckless Covid deniers, but honestly I don't think that many? I think most non-vaccinated people do have a good reason. There are many possible good reasons. Which is partly why draconian rules are so dangerous - such a sweeping approach, when everyone is different...

I can't believe people are still spouting the pandemic of the unvaccinated nonsense. Maybe when vaccines were at their peak effectiveness this was the case. Not anymore. ICUs are full of vaccinated people in most places now.

If the virus was only circulating around the unvaccinated then maybe I could get on board with the idea, but seen as the vaccines are proving as useful as a chocolate teapot at the moment If we're to believe the omicron hype, then no its a terrible and useless concept

@FromEden

I can't believe people are still spouting the pandemic of the unvaccinated nonsense. Maybe when vaccines were at their peak effectiveness this was the case. Not anymore. ICUs are full of vaccinated people in most places now.

ICUs are full of vaccinated people in most places now.

Just not true.

This is data from Ontario but it’s s reflected globally. We don’t know one way or another re Omicron yet so it’s too soon for the chocolate teapot analogy.

@FromEden

I can't believe people are still spouting the pandemic of the unvaccinated nonsense. Maybe when vaccines were at their peak effectiveness this was the case. Not anymore. ICUs are full of vaccinated people in most places now.

Interested in your source. Every source I have seen says the ICUs are full almost entirely of unvaccinated and medical practitioners are getting increasingly frustrated and upset at having to cancel, eg, life saving cancer removal surgery because ICU space is taken up with unvaccinated COVID patients.

But no doubt I'm a sheeple fool to believe mainstream media and you have some alternative information from a mate on Facebook.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

If the virus was only circulating around the unvaccinated then maybe I could get on board with the idea, but seen as the vaccines are proving as useful as a chocolate teapot at the moment If we're to believe the omicron hype, then no its a terrible and useless concept

🤦‍♀️ yes it is still circulating amongst the vaccinated but they are, by and large, not winding up in hospital. That's the point. No one thinks we can stop the spread entirely, that's impossible. It's about keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed and full vaccination prevents hospitalisation by about 90%.

yes it is still circulating amongst the vaccinated but they are, by and large, not winding up in hospital. That's the point. No one thinks we can stop the spread entirely, that's impossible. It's about keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed and full vaccination prevents hospitalisation by about 90%.

But the under 40s unvaccinated aren't "winding up in hospital" to any great extent either. So by your logic we only make vaccines compulsory for CEV/older people. Personally I think people in these high risk groups not being vaccinated are making a really bad choice, for themselves, but we should never be legislating or imprisoning people for making poor personal life choices.

Variants come from patients who can’t kick the virus quickly - ie largely from unvaccinated people. Vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, recover more quickly so less likely to spread it on and less likely to end up in hospital.
The ICU where I live is full of unvaccinated people - why should they get the choice to block those beds from people who need cancer or heart surgery?! It’s disgraceful.

From what I have read, there is no ‘compulsory’ prison. It’s €600 every 3 months, up to a maximum €3600. Like mentioned above, you can opt to pay via prison instead just like all other fines. So it could be 3hrs instead of paying.
You can obviously choose to be vaccinated after x amount of fines so pay less or none. No one is being put in ‘camps’ ffs.

For me, I think people should be vaccinated. I’m not old or sick, I choose to be vaccinated to protect those who are.

Austria already has almost mandatory vaccines for many things. For example the childhood vaccines. My son is 1, we have the ‘mother child pass’ where it is signed at every vaccine and check up. They cannot attend nursery or school if unvaccinated from the regular childhood diseases. You can obviously choose to not vaccinate, but then would have to homeschool.
I have been very impressed with how thorough all my maternity and now Ds checks have been as all have been face to face regardless of covid restrictions as they are deemed ‘vital’

I do wish people would respect my choices though. The whole, 'unvaccinated, no mask, no distancing, screw you' attitude is vile.

Funnily enough it is the vaccinated people who don't wear their masks. At least that's my experience amongst the people I know

The ICU where I live is full of unvaccinated people - why should they get the choice to block those beds from people who need cancer or heart surgery?! It’s disgraceful.

This gets mentioned so often. I am a bit confused with this though - do surgeries really happen in ICU units???

@MrsBillyNoJagNoMates intensive care units are a dept of a hospital used for anyone who needs intensive care including people who've had surgery in another dept of the hospital.
Have a read of this, it helps explain it.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/intensive-care/