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Austrian Vaccine Mandate (new details)

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 17:25

Some new details about the vaccine mandate in Austria have emerged today.

Repeated fines of €2000. Non payment of the fines to result in jail time. 4 weeks at first but maximum total custodial sentence of 1 year.

The unique part is that the individual concerned will be charged for their own "stay". They will have to pay for their time in the cell and for meals.

Here's the article for anyone who would like to Google translate and read it:

exxpress.at/alle-details-zum-gesetz-gegen-impfgegner-bis-zu-einem-jahr-beugehaft/

I don't know how the Austrian government is planning to have the space in prison to make this possible, but there's a mention in the article of special buildings or floors of prisons for "vaccination opponents".

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asdissues · 05/12/2021 17:27

But what if you can’t afford the fine or the charge for the stay ?

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 17:27

*the fine is said to be "less than 2000 euros" in this article but I've seen 2k in other sources. It must still be over 1k anyway or it would be said to be less than 1k.

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 17:28

(The fine may be repeated though)

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Signalstation · 05/12/2021 17:31

What's the point of imprisoning someone who will then just come out and not get the vaccination? What function does imprisonment actually serve in this case? Oh that's right - none.

Serenschintte · 05/12/2021 17:33

This is very wrong. Morally, legally and ethically. People should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies.

Incognito22333 · 05/12/2021 17:33

I have to say that does sound quite draconian…. Still if anyone feels that strongly about not being vaccinated they are EU nationals and can go and live and work in another EU country or emigrate further afield.

Incognito22333 · 05/12/2021 17:36

Do you think the U.K. would accept Austrian refugees who are leaving due to a vaccine mandate?/persecution - what does international law say about this?

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 17:36

@Signalstation

What's the point of imprisoning someone who will then just come out and not get the vaccination? What function does imprisonment actually serve in this case? Oh that's right - none.
Well I suppose it's supposed to serve as a motivation to be vaccinated
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Incognito22333 · 05/12/2021 17:39

The law in Austria is clearly a deterrent type of law.

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 17:40

@Incognito22333

Do you think the U.K. would accept Austrian refugees who are leaving due to a vaccine mandate?/persecution - what does international law say about this?
I don't even feel sure that we would be a haven for them to come to. There was an article on BBC website today "3 reasons for and against mandatory vaccination". None of the reasons "against" were ethical concerns. They were "there could be opposition, maybe it isn't time yet and it could be counterproductive". I really feel that there's an attempt to normalise the concept in the press.
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XenoBitch · 05/12/2021 17:43

This is just so wrong. Address the reasons people are hesitant.

ThisismyChristmasnom · 05/12/2021 17:50

It's coercive control isn't it?!

asdissues · 05/12/2021 17:57

They wouldn’t need to do it here there are easier ways , if the media reported a shortage’ and some pictures of queues it would end up like the toilet paper/pasta/petrol situation

fakereview · 05/12/2021 17:59

@Incognito22333

I have to say that does sound quite draconian…. Still if anyone feels that strongly about not being vaccinated they are EU nationals and can go and live and work in another EU country or emigrate further afield.
Yes they do have that option. If the UK government decided to do something similar (it won't) we wouldn't be so lucky.

I don't agree with locking people up who are not a danger to society. It only makes sense to lock up violent criminals to keep them out of everyone else's way.

Being unvaccinated is not on the same level at all.

fakereview · 05/12/2021 17:59

@asdissues

They wouldn’t need to do it here there are easier ways , if the media reported a shortage’ and some pictures of queues it would end up like the toilet paper/pasta/petrol situation
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CrunchyCarrot · 05/12/2021 18:05

That is utterly terrifying. Someone like me wouldn't survive very long in prison with my chronic ill health, disabilities and dietary requirements. I wouldn't have the option of moving to another country, either. It's crazy.

custardcreme · 05/12/2021 18:17

If you’re going to quote from an Austrian newspaper, please choose a reputable one.

I’m not saying I agree with the policy, but what you’ve written is just plain wrong.

Here is the correct information so far. Fines up to €600 every three months. No mention of any jail time.

www.derstandard.at/story/2000131683084/gesetzesentwurf-zur-impfpflicht-strafen-bis-600-euro-alle-drei-monate

pianolessons1 · 05/12/2021 18:19

@CrunchyCarrot

That is utterly terrifying. Someone like me wouldn't survive very long in prison with my chronic ill health, disabilities and dietary requirements. I wouldn't have the option of moving to another country, either. It's crazy.
But presumably with all your chronic health conditions, you're not dim enough to be unvaccinated?
Flyonawalk · 05/12/2021 18:23

Appalling. Surely in breach of international law.

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 18:25

[quote custardcreme]If you’re going to quote from an Austrian newspaper, please choose a reputable one.

I’m not saying I agree with the policy, but what you’ve written is just plain wrong.

Here is the correct information so far. Fines up to €600 every three months. No mention of any jail time.

www.derstandard.at/story/2000131683084/gesetzesentwurf-zur-impfpflicht-strafen-bis-600-euro-alle-drei-monate[/quote]
Why on earth would any publication bother to create this as a work of fiction?

The daily mail (for example) might be a rag, but they wouldn't attempt to publish complete falsehoods about parliament bills.

"The amendment already passed the parliamentary committee. " - seems pretty unambiguous

"The amendment already passed the parliamentary committee. "

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Battenburg77 · 05/12/2021 18:25
  • didn't mean to paste that quote twice
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FromEden · 05/12/2021 18:29

I'm sure it will be amended at some point to allow the unvaccinated to be detained indefinitely. Maybe in purpose built camps like they have in Australia. Definitely nothing wrong or sinister about that Hmm. Perfectly normal for a supposedly democratic country!

custardcreme · 05/12/2021 18:30

Because it has links to the FPÖ - far right party - who has an agenda.

CrunchyCarrot · 05/12/2021 18:33

But presumably with all your chronic health conditions, you're not dim enough to be unvaccinated?

Apparently I am. I've had Covid, though.

luinagreine · 05/12/2021 18:40

@XenoBitch

This is just so wrong. Address the reasons people are hesitant.
So what would make you get vaccinated? You are high risk for covid but the thought of dying of it isn't enough so what would persuade you?

You are exactly the type of person that this is aimed at, likely to clog up health systems but still refuses to make any mitigations so I am curious what would persuade someone like you that isn't already being done?