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Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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Talsaml · 28/11/2021 12:43

It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

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Lillith111 · 28/11/2021 21:51

@TheElvishQueen

Last time I had flu it was really bad but these are the things that build your body’s immune response.
Vaccines build your bodies immune response. That’s the point.
DameFanny · 28/11/2021 21:59

@pointythings

So, hanging around with your vaccinated friends affected you. And you got your period the day after meeting your vaccinated friends?

This is a severe case of someone equating correlation with causation. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever to support that this happens with any of the COVID vaccines. Some people however are an evidence-free zone.

There's a strong narrative in the anti-vax communities that people 'shedding vaccine' are more dangerous than covid itself.

Not that anyone sheds covid vaccine - they're not built that way. The usual scientifically illiterate confusion with specific vaccines like polio or the attenuated live flu virus they give/gave children.

But repeat it enough and some people will believe it. And other people will think it's happened to them...

Nanny0gg · 28/11/2021 22:08

@MaxNormal

Everybody has to play a part.

The vaccines clearly don't provide sterilising immunity (not getting into an argument on the level of prevention of transmission). To my mind that means that they are a great tool to prevent those with greater risk factors, be they age, obesity, underlying health conditions, get seriously ill from covid whilst they are still immune naive.

I absolutely hate how they have become a blunt tool, and how polarising the whole debate has become, and how there is no longer scope to weigh up individual risks and benefits. It's a dangerous road imo and there's risks for long-term societal damage and mistrust in the health service that have the potential to dwarf covid.

I genuintely don't think anyone should be expected to take one for the team when it comes to medical decisions. That doesn't sit right with me at all. But clearly many feel differently.

Do you remember polio, diphtheria and TB?

That certainly informs my willingness to 'take one for the team'

Flyonawalk · 28/11/2021 22:11

@Nanny0gg You realise that the diseases you mention differ from covid? For one thing they don’t have an animal reservoir. Covid can infect animals and therefore will always be a part of life.

Covid also mutates. No matter how many people have lots of vaccines, it will always be with us.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 28/11/2021 22:15

[quote Flyonawalk]@Nanny0gg You realise that the diseases you mention differ from covid? For one thing they don’t have an animal reservoir. Covid can infect animals and therefore will always be a part of life.

Covid also mutates. No matter how many people have lots of vaccines, it will always be with us.[/quote]
Animals can't have TB?

Have you told MAFF about this? It'll make a huge difference to cattle and badgers if you've discovered such an important scientific fact that counteracts all previous knowledge.

Flyonawalk · 28/11/2021 22:18

@NeverDropYourMoonCup That is a good point. Is it the same strain of TB that infects humans?

Nanny0gg · 28/11/2021 22:29

@Benjispruce5

It’s all about cultural norms. It’s the culture norm for babies to get loads of vaccinations by 4 months, it’s not to get a new vaccine.
Whut?
NotMyCat · 28/11/2021 22:32

Of course. Hopefully I will get antibodies from one of them!
Had 2 x AZ, Pfizer primary third vaccine, flu, pneumonia and due to have a booster covid in 4-5 months

NotMyCat · 28/11/2021 22:36

Here's the side effects of the drug I take by injection weekly, and I don't even think about it
I couldn't even fit the common side effects on which are bone pain, headache, temperature, shivering, fatigue and hair loss
I'm pretty sure I've seen an increased risk of developing leukaemia and if I look far enough probably blood clots
This drug is what helps protect me from infections

Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine
Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine
NotMyCat · 28/11/2021 22:39

And as for shedding the covid vaccine Confused
I mean I randomly developed an autoimmune disease. If I had a vaccine the day before I might have thought it was linked but the link would be about as much as the fact I had porridge for breakfast
People don't always get that it just happens, it's like cancer or a stroke. You're fine, and then you're not and sometimes there is no trigger

CrocodilesCry · 28/11/2021 22:49

[quote Valhalla17]@Glinsk I've had flu in my 30s. Felt like I was going to die, so know what it's like Smile

I had my Covid vax recently as needed it for work, but to be honest pre-vax hanging around friends who were vaxxed actually triggered an autoimmune reaction in my body. 6months of being unwell and could only have my own vax once I had recovered. My period also randomly appeared the day after I met with all my vaxxed friends and it was really very odd.

I genuinely don't believe everyone needs these things...[/quote]
This is one of the most deranged thing I've read since the beginning of the pandemic.

The vaccine cannot do that. Educate yourself.

LobsterNapkin · 28/11/2021 23:02

I am not crazy about it. My general view of all medications is that unless there is a clear benefit, it's better not to interfere in the body's systems. We never know what types of unexpected effects that changing normal responses will have. For example, some of the findings in recent years about childhood leukemia and why it is more common in developed nations.

I'm also of the view that it's better to avoid new medicines, procedures, or devices until they have been around for a bit, unless there will be a significant benefit over the current situation.

Neither of which are crazy or reactionary views - they are very much the product of having grown up in a medical household where there was a good understanding that good intentions don't always produce the desired results.

At the moment it's not at all clear to me that vaccines and boosters are going to give the best outcomes with covid long term, and they are still fairly new vaccines.

I had my two jabs in the spirit of duty to the public good, and I was in bed for two days with all over muscle cramps and a fever for the first one, so I think I've been willing to do my part. But no, I won't just go along with whatever I'm told because the authorities are panicked and I have very little patience for them telling others they have to.

Actually, that is probably the thing that's made me most likly to refuse, is the mandates and public pressure. Damage to liberal democracy and civil liberties is at least as important as public health IMO.

TheElvishQueen · 28/11/2021 23:04

@LobsterNapkin

I am not crazy about it. My general view of all medications is that unless there is a clear benefit, it's better not to interfere in the body's systems. We never know what types of unexpected effects that changing normal responses will have. For example, some of the findings in recent years about childhood leukemia and why it is more common in developed nations.

I'm also of the view that it's better to avoid new medicines, procedures, or devices until they have been around for a bit, unless there will be a significant benefit over the current situation.

Neither of which are crazy or reactionary views - they are very much the product of having grown up in a medical household where there was a good understanding that good intentions don't always produce the desired results.

At the moment it's not at all clear to me that vaccines and boosters are going to give the best outcomes with covid long term, and they are still fairly new vaccines.

I had my two jabs in the spirit of duty to the public good, and I was in bed for two days with all over muscle cramps and a fever for the first one, so I think I've been willing to do my part. But no, I won't just go along with whatever I'm told because the authorities are panicked and I have very little patience for them telling others they have to.

Actually, that is probably the thing that's made me most likly to refuse, is the mandates and public pressure. Damage to liberal democracy and civil liberties is at least as important as public health IMO.

I completely agree with every word. Finally, some sense!
CrocodilesCry · 28/11/2021 23:23

They're not trying to damage your civil liberties - they're trying to keep people out of hospitals and out of coffins.

Just look at the impact the boosters have had over the past couple of months - confirmed infections are highest among children and deaths/cases among the over 60s are much reduced.

Hillary17 · 28/11/2021 23:49

I think so but honestly not 100% sure. I have a flu jab every year and normally no side effects, but Covid jabs have been a whole other story. Two days of hell after my first vaccine, reasonably okay after 2nd minus a headache and then another two horror days after the booster. Booster side effects are now well into day four of feeling slightly off, tired and a headache. I’ll keep getting them if it’s yearly like my flu jab but I can’t keep needing two days off sick everytime Boris tells me I need a top up!

Platax · 28/11/2021 23:54

75% of those in intensive care are now the unvaccinated.

Very powerful article here -
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a9a8f914-4f58-11ec-9043-2aa4c0c21cd8?shareToken=844245ae0fb9fc0163529c93a2e957dd

sleepwouldbenice · 28/11/2021 23:56

Yes will take boosters etc
HTH

Platax · 28/11/2021 23:58

@Valhalla17

Those that say " well I take the flu jab every year"....I assume that's because you're vulnerable or have an underlying condition that requires it...and I expect the same for Covid vaccines and boosters. Every single man, woman and child does not require this. Its beyond ridiculous.
That's what all those patients in intensive care thought. Have a read of this article and tell me whether you still think it's so ridiculous, and if so what convoluted reason you've come up with to justify it
Furries · 28/11/2021 23:59

I’ll be getting my booster, Eli le to book in the next week or so. Had AZ x2, so am guessing it will be Pfizer for the booster - happy to have the mix. Had no effects after AZ, but nervous about booster as I’ve heard more re feeling rough after Pfizer, but rather that than Covid.

Am hoping that boosters after that will be annual at most - but equally will be guided by whatever the current situation is. I’m on medication for life for two conditions (one tablet, one injection). For me, the worry isn’t so much about Covid/ventilator etc. It’s the risk of long Covid on top of ongoing health that worries me.

Dishhh · 29/11/2021 00:30

@LobsterNapkin

I am not crazy about it. My general view of all medications is that unless there is a clear benefit, it's better not to interfere in the body's systems. We never know what types of unexpected effects that changing normal responses will have. For example, some of the findings in recent years about childhood leukemia and why it is more common in developed nations.

I'm also of the view that it's better to avoid new medicines, procedures, or devices until they have been around for a bit, unless there will be a significant benefit over the current situation.

Neither of which are crazy or reactionary views - they are very much the product of having grown up in a medical household where there was a good understanding that good intentions don't always produce the desired results.

At the moment it's not at all clear to me that vaccines and boosters are going to give the best outcomes with covid long term, and they are still fairly new vaccines.

I had my two jabs in the spirit of duty to the public good, and I was in bed for two days with all over muscle cramps and a fever for the first one, so I think I've been willing to do my part. But no, I won't just go along with whatever I'm told because the authorities are panicked and I have very little patience for them telling others they have to.

Actually, that is probably the thing that's made me most likly to refuse, is the mandates and public pressure. Damage to liberal democracy and civil liberties is at least as important as public health IMO.

If you grew up in medical household (whatever that means), I'd expect you to be a little wiser than this. I wouldn't expect you to drop in a little anecdote about "some of the findings in recent years on childhood leukaemia in developed nations". (Wink wink). Why would you be so determined to have little trust in common medicines and vaccines - vaccines that have saved millions of lives?

And, from your acquired medical knowledge, surely you understand that the reaction you had to your Covid vaccine was simply your amazing immune system working working properly?

milkyaqua · 29/11/2021 01:22

Does she not know how many unvaccinated young men and women with intact immune systems are suffocating to death in the intensive care unit one floor above her? How dumbfounded they were to discover that they were, after all, vulnerable to Covid? How they beg, sometimes, breaking all our hearts, to be vaccinated? ...

With our unvaccinated Covid patients, I feel more than anything desolate, heartbroken. I simply hate seeing them die. And I know they are here, in part, because a torrent of disinformation, spewed out on social media, has made them too scared to have the vaccine.

Yes, Platax. Terribly sad to read.

Practicebeingpatient · 29/11/2021 01:26

I had my booster last Thursday. My arm was sore until last night and I was knackered for 48 hours. I am so grateful that I have the privilege of those side effects. I’d happily do it every month to protect myself snd other people.

WaltzingTilda · 29/11/2021 01:46

I'll have my booster six months (or later) after my second jab (if offered) and will not be having it any sooner just because the government is worried that the nhs will get overwhelmed. After my booster I am done. No more boosters for me unless there is a new variant which is killing 500-600 + people everyday. I don't take the flu jab either.

CherryBlossomAutumn · 29/11/2021 02:59

There is a real flaw though @LobsterNapkin in that you are perpetuating a belief that ‘natural’ is better, when that isn’t true. As humans, before medicine, before plastic or industry we would frequently be carried off early by disease, cancer and complications of infections. It was a lot rougher being a Neanderthal and we’d die earlier.

That doesn’t mean that there isn’t zero risk from medicine. It isn’t perfect. But it’s a LOT better than the alternative. And it’s true with Covid.

Yes I’d much rather not have a vaccine. But I really, really don’t want to chance it with Covid either. Covid is far riskier than the vaccine - that is just a good weighing up of risk. I too got a bad reaction, twice, made me nervous (I’m the nervous type and would gladly have my house free of any toxic stuff etc). But at the end of the day we roll a dice, and one has a very high chance of something bad (Covid) and the other dice has a very, very low chance.

RonaldMcDonald · 29/11/2021 03:12

Yes, any and all vaccines in order to attempt to survive this