Are you really prepared to take every single vaccine

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It worries me that we may have to keep having vaccines going forward. I’m due my booster which I will take but I’m hearing that AZ are in the process of tweaking the current vaccine to combat the new strain. So we are then required to take another booster. Many variants can crop up, suppose another one does very soon. I’m concerned about the number of vaccines we could be taking. Is anyone else? And no I’m not an anti vaxer.

Vaccines make a massive difference to transmission and symptoms. New strains occur when people don't get jabbed in high enough %. My point with Polio is people saw the damage and took the vaccine to stop it. Taking vaccines is not a large imposition to protect the vulnerable. This generation is so privileged and individualistic we aren't considering the most vulnerable

@Cornettoninja

What if I had started my posting by telling you I'm a qualified Dr of medicine, re-trained as a nutritionist and naturopath

I’d wonder why you’d chosen to train as a nutritionist with only voluntary regulations rather than a dietician. Lack of accountability?

In all honesty I'd assume 'got struck off'

It's my opinion it won't ever go away. Just like the Flu, it will be something we learn to live with.

If I need an snnual booster then fine. Have glue job every year do why not?

@Lillith111 what do you think that % is?

[quote NC180]@Lillith111 what do you think that % is?[/quote]
Ideally everyone who can

[quote NC180]@DaisyandSimeon you do know you can still infect your parents having had the vaccine right? It doesn't stop you getting it and spreading it. I have many friends recently locked down from catching Covid from vaccinated friends they have been in contact with. Vaccinated people ares still spreading it. The only way to truly stop your parents getting covid is to put them in a glass house and never visit.[/quote]
Only if you catch it, and it reduces your chance of catching it drastically. You cant pass on a virus if youre not infected.
Its important for vaccinated people to still test themselves, especially if they have symptoms, but your statement makes it sound like you think the vaccine provides no protection, which is clearly false

[quote NC180]@Lillith111 vaccines eradicated polio in one dose in most cases. Vaccines are not eradicating Covid, cases are incredibly high amongst vaccinated people.[/quote]
That's it . The vaccines are not working. Yes, we are being told they are reducing the severity of symptoms, but they don't KNOW that, do they? It's an assumption.
I had the initial two, believing they would provide immunity in most people. They aren't. Now the boosters are of a completely different type anyway. I fail to see how they can boost the original vaccinations when they are made differently.
I'm not having boosters every 6 months for the rest of my life, because CV is not going away. I'd rather look after my health and take sensible precautions. If I get Covid, I will deal with it.

Flu. FGS autocorrect

I’ll take it but my only concern is how many more variants there will be and how many vaccines we’ll need.
It’s so frustrating, I thought we had turned a corner and now we’re looking at another variant.
Boris says there will be three weeks until the next review. There’s that magic number again “three weeks”.

@TheElvishQueen exactly. And this is your choice and should be respected. Just as the choice to vaccinate should be too. Everyone should be able to decide for themselves what feels right for their health.

There is also so little evidence that having the vaccine reduces transmission. It is being questioned all over the shop by very well known and respected scientists. Isreal has one of the highest vaccine rates in the world and cases are still very high. It's a small country, the majority are vaccinated, it should be slowing down much more than this if it is working to truly reduce transmission. Why keep getting boosted against something that clearly isn't going away.

The vaccines work. Rates, symptoms are down. Covid may be like flu - something we need to live with but have made massive strides with by getting vaccines each year. You say you "fail to see about boosters". Excuse me if I choose to trust qualified scientists and peer reviewed studies as oppossed to your feelings. And yes they do know??? There's a magic thing called evidence. And God how awful, every six months!! What a large imposition for you. I can see why that would be sooo difficult. Certainly worth not protecting the vunerable

Just like the Flu, it will be something we learn to live with.

Many of us live with the flu precisely by taking annual vaccinations!

@NC180

It's my opinion it won't ever go away. Just like the Flu, it will be something we learn to live with.

You can't live with a virus that overwhelms health services.

Even with Vaccines and without this new variant, NHS is unable to cope and many countries introducing tougher restrictions to prevent theirs going the way of the NHS.

Flu doesn't do this.

I fail to see how they can boost the original vaccinations when they are made differently.

Same immune system.

The vaccines are not working. Yes, we are being told they are reducing the severity of symptoms, but they don't KNOW that, do they? It's an assumption.

Nope. The numbers of vacc v unvacc'd in ICUs is pretty clear (see Times links upthread). Especially as more older and CEV people have been vacc'd - if the vaccine didn't work then they'd dominate the figures (as in the first waves before vacc).

@Hearwego a valid concern. If it can still spread amongst vaccinated people, it can still mutate.

Of course I will.

1. Unvaccinated people are 5-8x more likely to catch COVID and up to 18x more likely to die. (Depends on vaccine.)

1. More catching means more passing it on. Of course there are breakthrough cases. If we had no vaccines and no mitigation, the numbers would be significantly higher. If everyone got the vaccine, it would smother transmission to a substantial degree.

3 Vaccines provide significantly more protection than natural immunity from previous infection.

1. I get the flu shot every year and tetanus every 5 to 7 years. Fully vaccinated in childhood. Have been vaccinated for travel.

1. Smart people I trust tell me I should do this. I respect expertise.

Why the fuck wouldn't I?

This is all so exhausting.

@ddl1 and many of us learn to live with it by looking after our immune systems and choosing not to have vaccines.

Why keep getting boosted against something that clearly isn't going away.

Why keep to the speed limit when road accidents are not going to go away altogether?

Why give up smoking, when people can get cancer, even lung cancer, despite not being smokers?

The point is that the boosters reduce risk; they don't abolish it. You are less likely to get, and therefore transmit, Covid if you are vaccinated. It doesn't mean that you can't; but you are less likely to do so.

Moreover, even if you do get Covid, you are much less likely to be seriously ill, end up in intensive care, or in the worst case dead, if you have been vaccinated.

Yes. I can get it as the same time as my flu jab.

@ddl1 and many of us learn to live with it by looking after our immune systems and choosing not to have vaccines.

Having vaccines IS looking after our immune systems!

What do you propose other than vaccination?

@Nancydrawn can yous share the scientific studies that you quote your statistics from?

I'm not sure tbh, I don't think we can compare it with the annual flu vaccine as currently we will of had 3 within a year already. Something annual - yes probably, something every 3 or 6 months I'm less inclined too want