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Some restrictions back, fed up

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Ireallydontcare55 · 27/11/2021 19:55

Just heard the news about masks returning as of next week and changes to travelling rules.

It’s not so much that wearing a mask is inconvenient, it’s the fact that we were told restrictions were over and that we could get on with our lives.

I know I will get shot down for this post, but if it isn’t the ‘omnicron’ variant then it’ll be something else.

I’m sure many people will be in favour of tighter restrictions ‘until numbers drop’. And then what? In a few months’ time when the latest variant is out, will we have to do the same again?
“it’s just for a few weeks/months”

This isn’t going away. What’s the point of having 3 vaccines?

I’m fed up with it all, are people really prepared to do this for the foreseeable future ?

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ArthurTudor · 28/11/2021 09:37

@Benjispruce5

I haven’t stopped wearing my mask or cleaning my trolley.
Agree with the mask but I do think cleaning the trolley is pointless. It's airborne
Recycledblonde · 28/11/2021 09:38

The studies referenced above also showed that cloth masks were inferior to surgical masks and that wearing them correctly is extremely important. The vast majority of people do not wear them correctly. There should be no gaps around them at all.
Masks are also not a golden bullet otherwise places like Germany would not be facing a huge surge given that they have mandated medical grade masks in public places for ages.
I caught Covid despite wearing a correctly applied surgical mask.

I will wear one when I have to go into a shop and it will be a correctly applied surgical one but I will actively avoid shopping in physical shops, I am perfectly entitled to not like it, and from a scientific point of view, to think it will make little difference, I suspect most spread occurs at home and school due to extended periods of time in close proximity which does not happen in most shops.

Benjispruce5 · 28/11/2021 09:38

@ArthurTudor it’s not just Covid that cleaning the trolley prevents.

toomuchlaundry · 28/11/2021 09:39

After reading many posts on MN about people who don’t wash their hands after going to the toilet I quite like the fact that you can clean trolley handles

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/11/2021 09:39

those are not randomised trials

It isn't practical to do a randomised trial for mask-wearing, and real-world studies of the effects at the scale of whole populations are more relevant anyway.

visitingagain · 28/11/2021 09:39

@dementedma it's still work from home where you can in Scotland, so unless your employer has a good reason or your job isn't suitable you should be working from home if possible. It's not changed.

RaisinFlapjack · 28/11/2021 09:40

@Callcat

There’s a difference between sad/angry/anxious that we’re facing a new variant and more restrictions, and suggesting that the restrictions are wrong or you aren’t going to comply.

I totally get how people are feeling. I had a mental health breakdown last Christmas triggered by all this. I’m still taking medication for depression/anxiety (never needed to before this).

But we can’t get rid of covid by sheer force of will or wishing it away.

Nerdygirl · 28/11/2021 09:40

@Benjispruce5 what difference does that makes ? You can still pass it on. You are no safer because someone has been vaccinated, many unvaccinated and vaccinated have also had covid so both less likely to get it. Vaccine passports are used widely in Europe . Not going so well for them!

xxxGirlCrushxxx · 28/11/2021 09:40

@ArthurTudor

All this whining about well its not normal life to have mask wearing. Newsflash - normal life (pre covid) is no more.

You can still have people in your home's, everything is open, you can still go to restaurants etc without a mask.

These are tiny measures which may prevent future larger measures.

I find this whining about wearing a mask in a shop or on public transport pathetic.

I do appreciate the isolate until PCR test from travelling is very distruptive and will impact badly on the travel industry. However I think it's necessary. I would understand complaining about that..but people spouting on about the impact of masks (in minimal places!) need to get perspective and grow up I'm afraid

But nobody is 'whining'

People are just saying no 🤷‍♀️

beautifullymad · 28/11/2021 09:40

@Flyonawalk

The WHO admitted back in March 2020 that masks do not inhibit disease.

Governments impose them for two reasons:

  1. The government can be seen to be doing something
  2. The government can measure compliance and judge public mood.

Masks have never been about stopping disease.

And in the 1st December 2020 they strongly recommended masks to combat covid.

They got it wrong earlier in the year and rectified their advice once evidence showed this.

Livelovebehappy · 28/11/2021 09:41

We can’t use the government as a scapegoat by placing blame for these restrictions at their door. They’re fighting a losing battle. They tell people to wear masks to reduce the danger of the virus spreading. People rebel against it. Some for medical reasons, but a hell of a lot of people refuse just because they can. The government tell people to get vaccinated, again, people rebel against it. Some have valid reasons, but again a hell of a lot of people refuse because they can. My 20 year old niece has refused - when asked why, she doesn’t even have a reason, only that her friend hasn’t had it, so she has decided she wont either. The Government can’t do anything about people refusing to take advice from the medical experts. Unfortunately. Which means we are going to be constantly toing and froing between restrictions.

GiveMeNovocain · 28/11/2021 09:42

@AmaryllisNightAndDay

those are not randomised trials

It isn't practical to do a randomised trial for mask-wearing, and real-world studies of the effects at the scale of whole populations are more relevant anyway.

Yes heaven forbid we should get some decent evidence. Ok what country has done well thanks to masks?
xxxGirlCrushxxx · 28/11/2021 09:43

So, we are safe from this variant down the pub or in Wetherspoons, no masks required.....but pop to Tesco and it will floor us, quick, stick a (grubby,already used) mask on to make us 'safe'

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/11/2021 09:43

After reading many posts on MN about people who don’t wash their hands after going to the toilet I quite like the fact that you can clean trolley handles

I am spearheading a return to the convention of respectable ladies wearing gloves to go out Smile

Benjispruce5 · 28/11/2021 09:44

@Nerdygirl Its far less likely that you’ll be carrying the virus if double jabbed. Obviously.

TheVampiresWife · 28/11/2021 09:45

People rebel against it. Some for medical reasons, but a hell of a lot of people refuse just because they can.

People who can't wear masks aren't rebelling.

Iggly · 28/11/2021 09:45

@Livelovebehappy

We can’t use the government as a scapegoat by placing blame for these restrictions at their door. They’re fighting a losing battle. They tell people to wear masks to reduce the danger of the virus spreading. People rebel against it. Some for medical reasons, but a hell of a lot of people refuse just because they can. The government tell people to get vaccinated, again, people rebel against it. Some have valid reasons, but again a hell of a lot of people refuse because they can. My 20 year old niece has refused - when asked why, she doesn’t even have a reason, only that her friend hasn’t had it, so she has decided she wont either. The Government can’t do anything about people refusing to take advice from the medical experts. Unfortunately. Which means we are going to be constantly toing and froing between restrictions.
Someone else desperate to let the government off the hook. Don’t tell me. They’re doing their best?

😂

Iggly · 28/11/2021 09:47

[quote Benjispruce5]@Nerdygirl Its far less likely that you’ll be carrying the virus if double jabbed. Obviously.[/quote]
No it’s not. We can see that with the level of infections we have.

It will protect you from severe illness but it doesn’t make it less likely you’ll carry the virus.

mercimacherie · 28/11/2021 09:47

I won't be wearing a mask next week.

It's ridiculous, I didn't want the vaccine but have had to have it due to the restrictions on being unvaccinated. I'll also have to get the booster, and will probably have to allow my children to be vaccinated, despite my reservations. I wear a mask in health settings but will not any more in shops.

It's as if intelligent people who are usually capable of rational thought have been brainwashed. Al the propaganda has obviously worked.

Nerdygirl · 28/11/2021 09:47

No less likely than if you have just had it jabbed or not! Why no recognition of recovery ?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 28/11/2021 09:48

Yes heaven forbid we should get some decent evidence. Ok what country has done well thanks to masks?

Sorry I have no idea, I wasn't making a point about whether masks are useful or not. The point I was making is that real world population scale studies (like the one someone mentioned upthread comparing different US states) are decent scientific evidence.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 28/11/2021 09:51

"Precautionary". Yeah right. A synonym for ignorant, fearful, controlling and panicked.

Nothing is known about the virulence or lethality of this variant. It's just different. As was delta. We panicked over delta too, until it became clear that neither wrapping a hankie over your mouth nor hiding behind the sofa made much difference.

I really thought we had escaped the cold dead hand of Whitty and his ilk, but apparently we are still very much under the thumb and can look forward to many more years of being unable to plan ahead or reliably anticipate having lives that are worth living. But we won't resist, because we are secretly a nation of schoolchildren who rather fancy being disciplined and told what to do, solidly leavened with the pathetically and chronically anxious who find life too difficult even when there isn't a bug circulating.

These latest restrictions, despite seeming moderate in the context of the greater authoritarianism of recent years, are likely the final nail in the coffin for anything resembling normality ever returning. If two cases and some scaremongering about genetic variation are justification enough to essentially close the borders, ruin everyone's holidays and put us back in maundering terror of others by unilateral diktat, what could ever be the justification for removing those restrictions and the powers that support them?

Time to buy shares in the PCR testing companies. Oh, wait, they're all private and owned by Tory donors. Never mind, I suppose they needed a boost over Christmas.

What's the betting that none of this will be reviewed until well into the New Year, soundly ruining everyone's Christmas for a second time? There'll be a paper in a week or so that likely shows Omicron to be a storm in a teacup, but they won't react to that with anything like the same speed, because Michie and her ilk crew would rather lock us down forever if they could. Amazing to think that we'll look back with nostalgia on a few blessed weeks where we could travel reasonably easily, provided we had our vaccination papers, filled out a staggeringly intrusive form, took a meaningless but still expensive test and were content for every piddling apparatchik to know the details of our lives, movements, health status and genetics at whim. How those halcyon days will seem when we're back in the lockdown the government has so clearly been signalling by denying it.

A government of incompetents being puppeted by malign monomaniacs some of whom are explicitly engaged in psychological manipulation. And nothing we can do.

Elphame · 28/11/2021 09:53

@Northsoutheastwest76

I won't be wearing one. For the first time I shall be taking advantage of my legal exemption. *@Elphame* if you wore a mask previously than you are not legally exempt.
What absolute rubbish

Wearing a mask triggers severe facial pain so yes I am exempt.

I complied with it last time but no more. It’s not compulsory to take advantage of an exemption and I chose not to when there were no vaccinations for vulnerable people.

That is no longer the case. Vaccines are available and quite frankly if anyone hasn’t had them without good medical reason not to then I am going to prioritise myself over them now.

luckylavender · 28/11/2021 09:54

@Lovelymincepies - do you say that with your science background? Otherwise it's a pretty careless throwaway comment.