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Some restrictions back, fed up
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Ireallydontcare55 · 27/11/2021 19:55

Just heard the news about masks returning as of next week and changes to travelling rules.

It’s not so much that wearing a mask is inconvenient, it’s the fact that we were told restrictions were over and that we could get on with our lives.

I know I will get shot down for this post, but if it isn’t the ‘omnicron’ variant then it’ll be something else.

I’m sure many people will be in favour of tighter restrictions ‘until numbers drop’. And then what? In a few months’ time when the latest variant is out, will we have to do the same again?
“it’s just for a few weeks/months”

This isn’t going away. What’s the point of having 3 vaccines?

I’m fed up with it all, are people really prepared to do this for the foreseeable future ?

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countrygirl99 · 29/11/2021 08:19

@JaniieJones

'now have 4 elderly family members who will be staying at home yet again despite being triple jabbed and hoping to get on with their lives. They don't fall into any proper 'exemption' category as such other than they're old and the masks restrict vision and hearing, so not wearing one leaves them open to the kind of nasty shit I mentioned above.So yeah, half of you are both patronising and ableist with your 'just wear a mask it's that simple' or 'you're selfish if you don't' schtick.'

But surely we all have elderly relatives who of course struggle as do many, however they understand the need is to protect themselves as well as others. I have a disabled relative who would of course be 'exempt' but would rather use a face cover to protect themselves. Calling some of us 'ableist' because we are pointing out many jump on the exempt bandwagon is offensive.

Not sure how they restrict vision or hearing tbh. Of course Deaf people can't lip read but in that situation if requiring help from a member of staff the person would move their mask and keep 2m distance, which all are happy to do ime.

We all need to do our bit.

You clearly aren't dealing with someone suffering from dementia.
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VikingOnTheFridge · 29/11/2021 08:15

@lljkk

mean estimate: 16% of detected influenza infections are asymptomatic

Lmao don't incur the wrath of the MN flu £50 note brigade!
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southeastdweller · 29/11/2021 07:52

@Dishhh


*@southeastdweller*

No I didn’t and like then, I can’t be bothered to now. I don’t care about vulnerable strangers, and I didn’t before.

Figures. Although my comment was more about protecting myself rather than others, I love how you appear to have misinterpreted that and exposed yourself as a right misanthrope.

Misanthropic? No, just very ‘selfish’ and caring about people in my life, not strangers.
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Dishhh · 29/11/2021 07:48

@southeastdweller

No I didn’t and like then, I can’t be bothered to now. I don’t care about vulnerable strangers, and I didn’t before.

Figures. Although my comment was more about protecting myself rather than others, I love how you appear to have misinterpreted that and exposed yourself as a right misanthrope.

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user52673882829 · 29/11/2021 07:40

@GiveMeNovocain

If you think masks work do you really think it's a good idea to mess with your immune system? It needs to be kept in shape with practice.

Oh okay so why don’t you go and catch covid today and give that immune system a workout?
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Namenic · 29/11/2021 07:38

If you don’t think masks work, would you be happy for your surgeon or healthcare professional not to wear one?

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GiveMeNovocain · 29/11/2021 07:33

If you think masks work do you really think it's a good idea to mess with your immune system? It needs to be kept in shape with practice.

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RampantIvy · 29/11/2021 07:03

No I didn’t and like then, I can’t be bothered to now. I don’t care about vulnerable strangers, and I didn’t before.

Shock
I have no words Hmm

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southeastdweller · 29/11/2021 06:55

@Dishhh


*@southeastdweller*

No, I didn't wear a mask pre-Covid - did you? I wish I had known how good they were at blocking microbes, though, as I've been much less ill in the colder months than I have before.

No I didn’t and like then, I can’t be bothered to now. I don’t care about vulnerable strangers, and I didn’t before.
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liveforsummer · 29/11/2021 06:42

@gofg

If I had flu I'd be home and ensuring I wasn't in contact with anyone I could avoid, especially older people. And I'd be quite happy to wear a mask during flu season.

Exactly, and also when people have flu they aren't generally out and about much - when most people think they have flu it's actually a cold, the flu is a serious illness. This is a pandemic, flu isn't.

Only if they are too unwell. The second people start to feel better then they generally get on with life, usually don't have much choice I certainly don't know anyone who has isolated for a set time due to flu. It's not usually an option for most people to have 10 days off for a mild illness
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lljkk · 29/11/2021 06:41

mean estimate: 16% of detected influenza infections are asymptomatic

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lljkk · 29/11/2021 06:37

Most people don't (can't) know they have had flu. It's generally asymptomatic or mild symptoms, just like covid.

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gofg · 29/11/2021 06:29

If I had flu I'd be home and ensuring I wasn't in contact with anyone I could avoid, especially older people. And I'd be quite happy to wear a mask during flu season.

Exactly, and also when people have flu they aren't generally out and about much - when most people think they have flu it's actually a cold, the flu is a serious illness. This is a pandemic, flu isn't.

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Dishhh · 29/11/2021 06:22

@southeastdweller

No, I didn't wear a mask pre-Covid - did you? I wish I had known how good they were at blocking microbes, though, as I've been much less ill in the colder months than I have before.

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youkiddingme · 29/11/2021 06:13

If I had flu I'd be home and ensuring I wasn't in contact with anyone I could avoid, especially older people. And I'd be quite happy to wear a mask during flu season.
Just because we have done something a certain way before doesn't make it some kind of gold standard.

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southeastdweller · 29/11/2021 05:59

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

Well, some societies do wear masks when they know they are sick (e.g. Japan). It seems smart to me. Why not?

My question was did anyone here wear a mask pre-covid. The answer, as we all know, is no. How many hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people have died from flu because of others? Where was your outrage and societal responsibility then? You only care now because you've been TOLD to. That's about as disingenuous as 'caring' can get.

Yes, the hypocrisy on here is laughable.
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Namenic · 29/11/2021 04:19

@ThousandsOfTulips - why not have some provision for those who want to access services in as safe a way as possible? Eg shops/offices have sessions where a vaccine passport and masks are required?

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ThousandsOfTulips · 29/11/2021 02:55

In the total course of the pandemic, masks are a trivial factor at best. The fuss about it is way out of proportion to the difference it makes to the spreading of the virus compared to other mitigating measures. It amazes me that people who are furious that some of us can't wear masks are not rioting in the streets about the Government handling of the pandemic regarding border control (particularly in Jan/ Feb 2020), minimising spread in care homes/ hospitals/ schools etc.

It's the classic "look! A squirrel!" tactic. In the big picture mask wearing is only just above the level of being statistically significant as an influential factor so some people being exempt and not wearing them makes no statistically significant difference at all.

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ThousandsOfTulips · 29/11/2021 02:50

@Furries

For those that can wear masks - brilliant, thank you, even if it only helps in a small way.

For those that can’t wear masks, I’m sorry that you’ve been subjected to abuse. If you’re exempt, there is absolutely no excuse for abuse.

For those that just dgaf - and are proud to state it on here wherever - I reserve the right to judge you. As you are affecting all of those in the above two statements.

The problem is that nobody can tell the difference between the second and third groups in your posy when they see strangers in public, so they direct abuse at people with hidden disabilities or trauma. Or even of they are not abusive, make those people feel uncomfortable for not wearing a mask. I thought that was finally over but now we are right back to that, it's so depressing.
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user52673882829 · 29/11/2021 00:32

@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange

Well, some societies do wear masks when they know they are sick (e.g. Japan). It seems smart to me. Why not?

My question was did anyone here wear a mask pre-covid. The answer, as we all know, is no. How many hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people have died from flu because of others? Where was your outrage and societal responsibility then? You only care now because you've been TOLD to. That's about as disingenuous as 'caring' can get.

So your point is that just because people didn’t wear it during flu season (not a pandemic by the way) we should deliberately not wear it now because it’s only fair, yeah that really makes sense 🙄
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stayathomer · 29/11/2021 00:08

My question was did anyone here wear a mask pre-covid. The answer, as we all know, is no. How many hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people have died from flu because of others? Where was your outrage and societal responsibility then? You only care now because you've been TOLD to. That's about as disingenuous as 'caring' can get.
I wouldn't have known about their use precovid. I stayed away from my mum Christmas 2017 and 2018 because both years I/the kids weren't 100 percent and she is immunocompromised. I'd have worn a mask and stayed outside at a distance if I'd known back then

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Furries · 28/11/2021 23:43

For those that can wear masks - brilliant, thank you, even if it only helps in a small way.

For those that can’t wear masks, I’m sorry that you’ve been subjected to abuse. If you’re exempt, there is absolutely no excuse for abuse.

For those that just dgaf - and are proud to state it on here wherever - I reserve the right to judge you. As you are affecting all of those in the above two statements.

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KurtWildesChristmasNamechange · 28/11/2021 23:03

Well, some societies do wear masks when they know they are sick (e.g. Japan). It seems smart to me. Why not?

My question was did anyone here wear a mask pre-covid. The answer, as we all know, is no. How many hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people have died from flu because of others? Where was your outrage and societal responsibility then? You only care now because you've been TOLD to. That's about as disingenuous as 'caring' can get.

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DoubleDeckerSwimmer · 28/11/2021 22:33

I'm curious to know how many people wore masks before the pandemic. During flu season, for example. My grandad and dad both died of flu. Shall I get all angry about people not wearing masks and protecting the vulnerable pre-covid?

Well, some societies do wear masks when they know they are sick (e.g. Japan). It seems smart to me. Why not?

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ThousandsOfTulips · 28/11/2021 21:23

[quote Namenic]@KurtWildesChristmasNamechange - well they do that in hospital… to prevent the spread of superbugs and other contagious diseases (in people already ill). It’s one of the reasons why covid in general has a negative impact on treatment of non covid related diseases.

Flu is less transmissible than covid and there is a degree of ongoing immunity (unless you have a new strain jumping from animals in a given year).

Isn’t it also disablist to say that people who are immuno compromised just have to suck up having to work at a higher risk by having to see multiple people without mitigations?[/quote]
There are plenty of other mitigations that can be put in place to protect them aside from masks: depending on the context, homeworking, increased ventilation, screens, increased hygiene measures, lateral flow testing, social distancing, vaccine passports!...

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