Am I missing something?

[debbs77]

I'm in no way anti-vaccine, and myself and my children are all up to date with routine vaccines.

But I don't understand why people are being given ultimatums, ie possibly losing their job. For a vaccine that was never able to eradicate covid. But lessen the symptoms for the individual.

How can they prove that a vaccinated person spreads it less than an unvaccinated one? Plus, either way they can still spread it!

And as for teens, the actual government website says that the benefit to teens of the jab are only marginally better than if they just caught covid anyway!

So why let everyone bin the masks and mingle at concerts etc, but cause issues for unvaccinated people???

Because they want to be seen to be doing something basically.

Show me a country where any of this has worked

Oh god not yet another one of these threads! They are daily now argh

The only vaccine that has successfully eradicated a disease is polio.

If we let everyone do as you suggest it’s likely the NHS would be overwhelmed.

We can prove the vaccine reduces severity and likelihood of passing covid on because of science.

But why not give people the choice??

I'm currently unvaccinated due to medical reason but will be having it in due course. I caught covid in July and wear masks everywhere

Because a lot of the jobs involved include caring for vulnerable people who don't have an effective response to the vaccine and who are likely to be very unwell with Covid. Those people don't have a choice.

I totally get that but the vaccine doesn't stop a person spreading it

@SGChome20

The only vaccine that has successfully eradicated a disease is polio.

If we let everyone do as you suggest it’s likely the NHS would be overwhelmed.

We can prove the vaccine reduces severity and likelihood of passing covid on because of science.

Polio isn’t yet eradicated. You may be thinking of smallpox.

Here we go again. Another ‘I’m not against vaccines’ post that is against vaccines.

I'm not against the vaccine......just at people's choices being taken away over a vaccine that doesn't stop it spreading

@debbs77

I'm not against the vaccine......just at people's choices being taken away over a vaccine that doesn't stop it spreading

It reduces the likelihood of it spreading, and reduces the severity of the symptoms If you do get it.

@CarrieBlue yes sorry I was thinking of smallpox. Thank you!

OP unfortunately everyone does have a choice though to take it or not.

If I was in hospital receiving chemo or I had aids I wouldn’t want my care to be carried out by unvaccinated people.

@debbs77

But why not give people the choice??

I'm currently unvaccinated due to medical reason but will be having it in due course. I caught covid in July and wear masks everywhere

People do have the choice. But all choices come with potential consequences.

If you can't be vaccinated due to a medical reason, you will be exempt from any restrictions focused on the unvaccinated - no?

1. Vaccination reduces the likelihood of you spreading it, as it reduces the viral load. There is data to prove this.

1. People being mandated to get the vaccine are in contact with very vulnerable people. I would be horrified if I found out one of my 99 year old nan's carers was unvaccinated - why wouldn't you want to protect those you care for as much as possible?

1. The more people left unvaccinated, the more risk to the NHS and ultimately, society as a whole. They have to do something to increase vaccination rates because at the moment far too many people are still unvaccinated and are costing too much money to make better/before they die.

1. Teens are at risk from Covid, it can be a serious illness and they can get long Covid from it. There have been threads on here of people whose teens have really suffered. Teens also socialise more than the rest of the population, so are more likely to spread it.

Vaccine passports - which I'm sure you're also against - work by restricting the movement of unvaccinated people. The fewer unvaccinated people who get Covid, the better for everyone. If someone can't go to shops/bars/concerts because they're unvaccinated, they're slightly less likely to catch it. They are also less likely to cause a superspreader event, which they are more likely to do as an unvaccinated person because they spread it more than vaccinated.

OP I agree with you 100%. I really think it's awful people are being scared over this.
I am waiting for my booster so not anti vax. People should be allowed the choice. Do we know for it reduces transmission? By how much? Xx

You are allowed a choice. It's risible to suggest otherwise.

But as PP say, choices have consequences.

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated

from this website which was the first one to come up when I Googled.

It's really not hard to find out this information

@debbs77

I'm in no way anti-vaccine, and myself and my children are all up to date with routine vaccines.

But I don't understand why people are being given ultimatums, ie possibly losing their job. For a vaccine that was never able to eradicate covid. But lessen the symptoms for the individual.

How can they prove that a vaccinated person spreads it less than an unvaccinated one? Plus, either way they can still spread it!

And as for teens, the actual government website says that the benefit to teens of the jab are only marginally better than if they just caught covid anyway!

So why let everyone bin the masks and mingle at concerts etc, but cause issues for unvaccinated people???

Personally, DS 14 has had the vaccine because he doesn't want his DB to die It was entirely his choice. Adult DS will die if he even catches a mild form. DS 14 will do anything to lessen the risk.

Stop posting links to studies. People like OP aren't going to read it and change their minds. They're only on here to spread an agenda, possibly paid to do so. There have been countless posts on MN recently in a similar "rhetorical" style with short sentences and faux-naive tone of voice. Just don't give them any attention and the thread will bury itself.

'I'm in no way anti-vaccine'/'I haven't been vaccinated'

Every time this shit, every bloody time. We're not stupid.

I wish people would quit their assumptions. Actually, I've just been reading about the viral load to understand it better.

I'd just rather read for myself than be swept along by others because they don't do their own research

I've been double vaccinated and have had a booster. I'll take them whenever offered but I agree with the OP. What's the point of vaccine passports if a vaccinated person can catch and spread it?

And don't get me started on vaccinating 12-15 year olds.

It should be a personal choice and NOT through any coercion.

How can they prove that a vaccinated person spreads it less than an unvaccinated one? Plus, either way they can still spread it!

Numerous population-based studies from the world over @debbs77

Yes efficacy is not 100%, you specifically might be the unlucky person who gets coronavirus from a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection. The lower viral load also means if you were this unlucky person, your chances of developing serious illness are also lower.

Statistically, the chances are much lower, and what this means is that it translates to a significant population level benefit in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated cohorts.

they don't do their own research

@debbs77

You see this bandied about all over the place. It is impossible to "do your own research" as an individual, in the same way a team of scientists with expertise in the area will. Why people think they can disregard this, in the face of a quick google I'll never know.

I'm reasonably qualified but if I wanted to know about something I don't specifically work in, I ask collegaues or rely on conclusions drawn by teams of scientists that have been working in the area for decades.

I am also fed up with these moronic threads.

No one is being held with a gun to their head to get a vaccine - that would be coercion.

If you work with vulnerable clients/patients you have to get the vaccine or get a different job.

You are getting the jab as it helps them. Why is that so incredibly hard to understand??

@debbs77

because they don't do their own research

I know, bunch of sheeple, aren't they?